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Link provided is the one I used. For the guy who pulled me out of the water after my accident. It was downgraded to Certificate of Merit,.There is a time limit, so make sure you begin the process ASAP. Sounds silly but MAKE SURE THEY ARE REGISTERED PRIOR TO SUBMITTING! (emphasis) Long story short, one person the Cub Scout pack was going to submit was not registered as an ADL like she was suppose to have been. Good news is those involved don't care about recognition. Bad news is that because the one who jumped in and pulled the person out was not a registered leader, the other two leaders who took over CPR from her refused to have the paperwork submitted. Definately something to be proud of. And I bet it was a great reward for you to see your Scouts in action.

That's because until a little under 2 years ago, wearing a necker without the uniform was not allowed in the USA. 2007 WSJ celebrating the Centenary created World Neckerchief Day, where Scouts are suppose to wear their neckers. That created the push to make wearing neckers without the uniform an option. Again this has only been since June 1, 2015 at the earliest, not even 2 years. And it didn't get publicity until August 2015

Unfortunately, we have once again a discrepancy in BSA documents that is causing confusion. Some BSA literature say cabin and other indoor overnighters do not count as camping, i.e. Camping Merit Badge requirements and BSA's definition of camping. Then JTE says something. BUT looking at the JTE questions, the words "...for JTE purposes?" To me that means it would not count as camping for anything else The OA appears to use the Camping Merit Badge requirements for OA eligibility. From the Guide to Unit Elections which is a BSA publication "Q. Can a Scout use the same camping nights towards the requirements of Camping merit badge and for the OA camping requirement. A. Yes. While the Boy Scout advancement program often prohibits one action or event from counting towards two different requirements, camping nights can be counted towards both Boy Scout advancement and the OA camping requirement."

Indoor environments do not count as camping. http://www.scouting.org/Home/OutdoorProgram/Camping.aspx "Organized camping is a creative, educational experience in cooperative group living in the outdoors. It uses the natural surroundings to contribute significantly to physical, mental, spiritual, and social growth." (emphasis added.)

Some materials are irreplaceable in that the materials today do not hold a candle to the old stuff. When I did ITOLS a few years back, I handed out additional info from older materials. PM me if you want to get rid of it. I may have a home.

One troop I was in had a bar, but it was secured. You needed a key to open the roll up window, and the door to get behind the counter. Another troop had a bar, but they would put up a screen to limit access. A third I know about met in a different room than the bar.

Part of a DE's responsibilities is being the chapter staff advisor. That's why if a pro is not an Arrowman already, they are exempt from the camping requirement, and are automatically eligible. Grant you, most DEs are so busy that unless they are the lodge staff advisor, they do not do much with the OA. But they are a few exceptions. Going to an Ordeal and preparing the ceremony area in the mud and rain, as well as helping coach the team, broke the ice with the volunteers in my district back in the day. I know there have been some changes to the inductions process, i.e. SMs can get a waiver for the camping requirement, but as far as I know district and council level volunteers must have it still. My district only had one person who met the requirement, and he's going in a few weeks.

It could also be said that the person lied in order to get membership into the program. Thus it could eb said the applicant committed fraud.

"Campaign hat scream State and County law enforcement in today's world, they are the only ones left using them on a regular basis. except for the military. I would say they wear more often than any Scout or Scouter." Do not forget park rangers. I used to wear my smokey camping, but after getting confused with a park ranger for the second time, I wear the expedition hat on public lands.

Unfortunately in today's litigious society, it is easier to cave in to a lawsuit than to fight it. One company I have friends in told me how they were hit by a multi-million dollar fine by the feds over something that was allowed at the time they did it, but now is now no longer allowed. Fed retroactively put the ban in place, and demanded their money back, plus penalties and interest. Company lawyers said they could fight it out, and could probably win too. BUT, the entire legal process could take years. While the lawsuit was in the courts, payments would be put into escrow until the case was settled. without the government contract the company would go out of business. So they settled.

SSScout's story reminds me of 2 new DEs in my council growing up. We had 3 brand new, straight out of college DEs who were told by the SE that they needed to go through the OA Ordeal. They show up, and go through the Pre-Ordeal ceremony. When they found out what was expected of them, 2 said the heck with it and left. The third one underwent the Ordeal. Monday morning all three were called into the SE's office. The new Arrowman was congratulated, given some OA related item from the and left. The other two were immediately fired.

If memory serves, National did make something like mainhunter's cap once upon a time. I think there is a pic of one in my old field book. Gonna have to pry it from middle son's hands.

OK found a place for replacement chin straps https://www.strattonhats.com/products/21-1-Piece-Leather-Strap Ebay may help for hat bands. here is one http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/232258590488?vectorid=229466&item=232258590488&rmvSB=true Another option would be to make your own replacement band. http://www.hobbylobby.com/Crafts-Hobbies/Leather-Crafting/Kits/Large-Leather-Dog-Collar-Kit/p/142068

I don't know why they quit, but I am going to take a guess. Folks were buying the replacement parts and putting them on USGI surplus hats. While I do not have the BSA hatbands, I do have the BSA chinstraps on my two smokeys. And before anyone cries "foul," both smokeys were issued to me by my council. One issued upon completing Brownsea 22, the second upon staffing JLTC.

Aggravate the pros enough, and you will. I've been blackballed from council level because I pointed out problems and inconsistencies. But you need to be careful. One volunteer ticked off the powers that be so badly, he had his membership revoked. That really ticked off the volunteers in my district. When those folks left, the volunteers threw a party.

My first encounter with a British female Scout was in the US hiking with my troop as a youth. We thought she was a Girl Scout ( Girl Guide in the UK) because the only uniform item on was a neckerchief. Great conversation. I still got that neckerchief I traded my belt and all the Skill Awards for.

Hardest part of moving from a Cub Scout Leader to a Boy Scout adult is to "unlearn what you have learned." You have just spent the last 4.5 years doing training so that you can run Scouting programs, and now you are told to sit back, drink your coffee/tea/hot cocoa, and tell the boys "Have you asked your patrol leader" It's hard to do, even if you know better. When my oldest crossed over, I spent a year as a MC. One reason was that I was also a DL still. Another reason was that I needed to be deprogrammed out of Cub Scout leader mode. I remembered the worst part of getting new Scouts in the troop, their interfering parents, and promised to be like that. Being a MC gave a a chance to deprogram, learn the troop culture, and stay out of my son's way.

I collect neckers. I have some from all over the USA, as well as the UK and Canada. Last meeting as a TCDL, I was asked to come up with something about neckerchiefs and why they are used in Scouting. I had a few on hand to demonstrate the various uses. One of the other leaders commented that I need to wear the collection instead of the same one over and over. Great conversation starters. Had lots of tales regarding them.

My thoughts. #1 I've seen adults game the process. Worse case was the "Eagle" whose mom, dad, and grandpa so gamed the system that he got it on appeal from national. Him winning the appeal caused the entire district advancement committee to resign in protest. #2 Those parents pushing Eagle tend to not view anything else in Scouting as important. I had an 1:30+ long phone conversation with one mom about getting her son registered for the OA Ordeal that was coming up. After overcoming every single objection she had about the OA, she finally says, "He can't be distracted with anything else. He needs to earn his Eagle." On a personal note, I had a conversation with my aunt about my cousin who earned Eagle at 13 and quit, and her grandson. My cousin was pushed and pushed to get Eagle by my uncle and aunt. She was amazed at all the things they were doing, i.e. Philmont, Jamboree, and joining the OA. She point blank told me she wish the OA was around when my cousin was in Scouts. When I told her that OA was around since 1948 locally, she told me I was mistaken. When I told her the lodge's history, she said "it wasn't a big deal like it is today." We may be getting a few of these parents in the next few weeks. #3 if you have an active program, the Eagles will stay, even if the parents are no longer interested in Scouting. They may have challenges, i.e. school, extracuriculars, girls, jobs, etc, but they will contribute to the troop. #4 Sea Scouts, OA, and Venturing are great opportunities to continue folks involvement in Scouting. As an 18 YO Eagle, I looked first to Sea Scouts, then to the OA for challenges I was no longer getting from the troop. Yes I remained with the troop, and I worked my butt off. BUT I got new challenges from these two organizations, and have seen many young Eagles do the same. #5 My issue with young Eagles is the same I have with ANY Eagle: they cannot model the knowledge, skills, abilities and expectations that are expected from an Eagle. We are not perfect, not by a long shot. But Eagles have a heavy burden exemplifying Scouting's ideals. EDITED: Put the quote in because it shows if you give them high expectations, they will live up to them and be active.

Agree, and no it does last I checked. But the pamphlet also doesn't even mention "Green Bar Bill" Hillcourt. Waite Phillips did a great thing giving Philmont to us. But not everyone goes there. Whereas every Scout and adult from 1929 until 1972, and then again from 1979 to 1989 had been affected by "Green Bar Bill" by reading his books, Boys' Life articles, and going through training he put together. IMHO Bill did a lot more than Phillips ever did.

I've seen a bunch of young Eagles over the years. Most quit Scouting shortly after getting Eagle. Some were pressured by parents to get Eagle, and once that was achieved they had no incentive to stay. Some get bored and drop. I've seen a few move on to Explorers/Venturing. And I know one young Eagle, who moved to Hawaii and join Sea Scouts. The Young eagles that remain have at least one thing going for them: either the OA or a very active, boy-led troop. Several young Eagles remained solely because of the OA. For whatever reason the troop was no longer providing the challenges they wanted, and the OA did. Active troops will develop programs that interest all ages. When the boys have a feeling of ownership and develop activities they want to do, they stay. Another thing that keeps young Eagles, as well as those of us who could have been young Eagles instead cardiac Eagles ) was the opportunities for HA and other advanced opportunities. I know I did a HA program at a local camp, Brownsea 22 ( NYLT today), jamboree, and a Canadian canoeing expedition. In my case, I was busting butt working fundraisers and having too much fun to focus on Eagle until near the end. Also I had a case of the fumes

Latin Scout, But if you look at the ones whole troops wear, there are the limits I mentioned. BSA use to make a whole lot more of the Boy Scout neckers. The troop is one of the older troops in the council with a long history, and a very specific color scheme. That color scheme is no longer made by BSA. PLC decided to go with a similar color scheme. Guess what, national quit making that one too. We found out when we went to order the 2nd necker for some new Scouts, and was told they are no longer made. SM made a decision on the spot for the 3rd necker. When we got another group of new Scouts, we attempted to order the 3rd necker from the local council, only to be told they are no longer made. Some of the Scouts donated their neckers for the ceremony. That was when we went the custom route, and doing it ourselves instead of relying on national. Instead of Scouts wearing 3 different neckers, or none at all, we are making our own. But looking online I just noticed the red with white imprint, the 3rd neckerchief, can still be ordered from national supply. All I can think is that the local council shop didn't want to be stuck with inventory that will be discontinued soon and they will be stuck with.

When my pack had some trouble, I focused on my den. I knew if I could put up with the situation for about 20 months, new leadership would take over and things would probably improve. It was frustrating, but by focusing on my den I provided my Cubs the best possible program I could. With the exception on 1 pack meeting that had no awards to give out, and a second pack meeting cancelled at the last minute, the Cub were not affected. The new leadership was a vast improvement. If you see the leadership leaving, you may want to tough it out. But if you do not see the leadership leaving, it may be time to move on. But be prepared for a lot of animosity, gossip, and overall negativity between you and the leadership if you do leave. My friend who was a DL with my pack was asked to restart his church's pack. How can you say no to your pastor? He left the pack quietly informing only the CM. No one else realized he restarted a pack until Round Up season. That's when the animosity started. In addition to "stealing new Cubs" at Round Ups, over a 6 month period 1/2 of my pack transferred to the restarted pack. Over time, the pack's leadership took over the troop. By the time my son was a Webelos, he knew what Boy Scouts was suppose to be like. When he camped with them, he saw so many problems, he made the comment "That isn't Boy Scouts." He made the decision not to join that troop. Over an 11 month period, those Boy Scouts that were in his den either quit Scouting altogether, or transferred to my son's troop. Except for 1, and he quit once his brother got Eagle and quit Scouts. And the animosity continues to this day. Regarding your question about going to pack meetings in one town and having den meetings in another, yes it is permissible. BUT as David CO stated, you also made a commitment to the CO, and you should not actively recruit from your den. If my experiences are the norm, the Scouts will follow you. And be prepared for the hatred that will ensue. Sorry for the negativity, but better to be prepared fro the worst, and pray for the best.

Local council shop. 3 of the neckers the troop used have been discontinued. If you go to scoutstuff.org and look up neckerchief, you will onlt find the three neckerchiefs in addition to the specialty and Cub Scout ones. http://www.scoutstuff.org/screen-printed-bsa-emblem-neckerchiefs.html#.WLZQT_LdUo0 and only 3 of the styles remain ( I want to say about 30 printed ones when I use to work in supply in the 90s and 2000s) http://www.scoutstuff.org/bsa-neckerchief-with-universal-emblem-embroidery.html#.WLZQC_LdUo0 And we were told once they were gone, they were gone.

Actually the UCs, and a few other district folks, have either died ( UC originally assigned to them), or have become so frustrated they say the heck with it and ask to work with units that want their help. (3 UCs). Long story short, this is the SM who thinks he know it all and will not take any advice or help form anyone. As for the DEs, my council is so short staffed, that the DEs working my district have barely kept their heads above water. It sucks not having your own DE.