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#1 Don't know #2 Partially Correct. One Scout came from either Argentina,or Chile I thought, to New York's 1939 World's Fair by himself. I forgot how long it took, but remember he started with his Patrol. Some got sick and returned home. 1 died on the trek. All malaria if I recall. The remaining patrol members got arrested as revolutionaries and imprisoned until released. That's when the bulk went home. Read a book on him back in the day. EDITED: Ok, found the reference Stosh was talking about. Two men walked 8,000 miles from Caracas, Venezuela to Washington D.C.

Forgot to add, I've carried a Bent's Fort Scalper and a Becker 21 knives.

I've known about the changes since August. The camporee I was in charge of was wilderness survival based, and a few events required a sheath knife. FWIW, the council does not have a policy against sheath knives at the local camp the event was held at. But they are prohibited at summer camp. So councils can make their own rules, even if legal in your jurisdiction. When I visited the neighboring council, i asked if they would sell those Helle knives, answer is no b/c that council prohibits them.

I notice there is still no date on any BSA publication except 'Fall 2018" But the National Catholic Committee on Scouting gives a date of January 1, 2018.

I'm going by memory, so bear with me. The PATROL came first. When BP wrote his Aids to Scouting: NCOs and Men prior to 1905, he was surprised to find many boys creating their patrols and doing what he wrote for the military on their own. These impromptu patrols are one of the things that led to the experiment at Brownsea Island in 1907. Even at Brownsea, he separated those first 22 Scouts into patrols: Wolves, Bulls, Ravens, and CURLEWS! ( yes I'm a Cocky Curlew of the Brownsea Camp...) No where was the term "troop" used at Brownsea as far as I recall. Here is where it

Ok, I know I made the camporee Webelos Friendly. Heck all the events save one were based upon Wilderness Survival MB, and Castaway Adventure Badge is Wilderness Survival MB lite. So it was natural. Plus events were optional for the Webelos. Their 'camporee" comes in March. The purpose of Webelos attending is to A) get them use to their potential troop and help with Recruiting B) Show them what to expect as Boy Scouts, and C ) HAVE FUN! But "Cub Friendly?" An aside, we had one local camp ground reopen, and one new parents is happy b/c it is 500' from city limits. I have a fee

HOLY CRAP! You now got me thinking about my camporee. My DE created a Cub Scout event the same weekend and location as our camporee. Initially no one knew about it, and I posted it was a mistake and that no Cub Scout event was planned. Then I got a nastygram from the DE saying in no uncertain terms that the Cub event WILL go on, and that it will not interfere with the Camporee. Well it did. I had to spend extra money buying supplies to mark off the Cub Scout area from a campsite that 2 troops were using. I also had to spend time rearranging events and reshooting the compass course si

I think what Col. Flagg is trying to point out is that national's marketing and publishing folks are pushing articles and merchandise in an attempt to get us use to the changes that are coming before they happen. And I do agree with him. It seems as if national is trying to get us acclimated to the idea before they announce it. And in addition to the family camping articles with Boy Scout age youth, has anyone seen some of the PSAs aout Scouting for the whole family that have the Boy Scouts camping and doing things with Cub Scouts? If I can find the link, i'll post

Going to go off on a tangent. And moderators, if this is going too far off base, let me know. A recent story I was told keeps hitting me when I see this thread. Not only should parents stay out of they way, but I'm thinking sometimes it's a good thing for adult Scouters to miss something so their sons can experience stuff with out them around. I say that because I was told about a Scout whose dad has been on every single trip since he has been a Cub Scout. Heck, the kid has never done anything outside of Scouting without either his dad or mom attending. Now the son is getting read

To quote the Emperor, ' EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT!"

Oh man, this would be funny if it didn't hit close to home. We had one camp out with an extremely similar scenario. We were at the local scout camp and had several families show up. It wasn't suppose to be a family camp out, but it turned into one. Between that camp out and the Tiger and his family camping at camporee with older brother, I've seen the frustration with the older Scouts. When I mentioned about the families causing problems, I was told the troop "needs to be family friendly." I know my sons and one of their friends were not interested in this month's camp out because it was anot

Yes, the original 22 Boy Scouts at Brownsea were divided into 4 patrols: the Curlews, Ravens, Bulls, and Wolves. BP experimented with both 5 man and 6 man patrols. Eagle94-a1 Cocky Curlew, BA22

Have you asked your sons what they want you to do? When moms show up, the dynamics do change, whether consciously or unconsciously. When the 1989 decision to allow female ASMs and SM came, we did get one long time female MC switch over to ASM. She knew the deal: adults do not interfere unless safety is concerned, and acted accordingly. But her two sons DID act differently on the trips she attended. Somehow it got back to her that her sons didn't really want her around all the time because they felt she was hovering over them. She backed off and only did 3 camp outs after that in the 5 years sh

It could also be that they see something they look forward to being so watered down that they do not see the purpose. When the Scouts are polite and tell the new parents that they got it, and the parents ignore them, so the older Scouts just walk away and let the parents do their work. Sadly in my instance the "Come to Jesus" meetings, yes plural" have had no effect and the new parents are doing what they want. Heck now the parents have some financial influence they "gave" the troop $3000 from a joint pack/troop fundraiser. Troop only sold $600 worth of tickets, while the pack,

Or the Scouts are so fed up with adults taking over and overruling what they want that they say "WHATEVER." Man this is starting to sound like some of the stuff going on in my troop in the Helicopter parent thread.

In 2016, my troop did have two separate backpacking trips. One was the AT, and the requirements were First Class or higher, and do two of the three prep trips. The only exception was an ASM who didn't do any of the prep trips, and had not backpacked in over 18 years. He was the one with major issues, to the point that he collapsed on the trail. Now the standard is do the prep trips OR completed a previous AT trip. I know I got my work cut out for me if I can schedule the vacation. The second trip was the weekend of the AT. Anyone could go, and it was much, much shorter. Out of 18

How ironic. I bet the folks who came up with this never read B-P's Aids to Scoutmasters since Scouting is NOT suppose to be like school. In fact, I found quotes from BP who said school teachers should not be Scouters since they would try to turn the program into school. If that is what the current WB course teaches, I will never take it as it is so far from BP's vision. And if that is what new Scouters are being taught, then I see an uphill battle on keeping traditional Scouting alive. My thoughts on quality control is MENTORING. Training only gets you the basics. Without experienc

Tell me about it. I still have not told SWMBO how much her uniform actually cost, nor how long it took to collect the pieces (hint: as soon as oldest was a Tiger, I started collecting pieces and she became an ADL when youngest was a Wolf). Suffice to say it was a Christmas present, and the only one she got, that year. With the exception of the "NC" everything is period authentic. Do not know if she will keep it after youngest crosses over or not. But if not, it will be sold on the Big Auction Site or donated to a museum. And you would think NC would be easy to find.

Grant you it's been 20+ years, but Youlbury International Scout Campsite ( world's oldest continually used Scout camp by the way ) didn't have individual cubicals when I worked there. Regarding informing the parents, that concerns me, and over here that would be a major Youth Protection violation.

True. But if national and councils can use reproductions for various functions, why not those in the field? I've been to Jambo and a NOAC where reproductions were being worn. Ditto at council events.

We have a unit that still use the red and whites. They have someone producing repros for them. I got one of their state repros for the wife's uniform.

Baptist church locally has said "NO!" to girls because they view the Boy Scout troop as an outreach ministry for boys. None of the adults involved in any position are female. 2 other troops are borderline on accepting girls are not. The adults, and Scouts too, have major reservations about accepting girls. My sons' troop has no problem with going coed. In fact they are looking to merge their Frontier Girls program with the troop. Yes, my troop has said they will go coed despite what national says because of lack of resources and manpower. Heck the only reason Frontier Girls is still a

Yes, it is mostly mothers, especially those who were den leaders and are use to being in charge, but also a few dads as well.

They attend MB weekends, colleges, etc. Long story short,if the MBC says it's earned they get credit. Good news is that the troop got fresh blood in adults, and looks to get some more. Hoping it turns around. Update: We now have a date for a meeting of all adults. It will be during an event the Scouts will be at. It's going to be intersting. Also, the old saying he who controls the purse controls everything appears to be true. And I think I know how the helicopters are gaining control. We had a joint fundraiser with the pack, and the folks running it are the helicopter parents who just

I got the specialties and I got the standards. Some are old CSPs from when I was a DE, one is a 100th anniversary CSP, and one is an Eagle CSP. The anniversary and Eagle are duplicates in my collections. I have one CSP that means a lot. Not only is it numbered, it is a gift. I've seen a few folks wear theirs, but not me. But the one that means the most is from my last year on camp staff at the camp I grew up at. A very limited run celebrated an international encampment we had. It's so rare, that last time I checked the CSP books, it was not even listed. But that is not the reason why