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In my troop they are an issue every year, but especially this year. It is so bad, that several Scouters with 3+ years with the troop, a long time for us, are fed up and want to quit. One told me 'Scouting is no longer fun" We have a adult meeting next week, and it's going to get interesting.

Sadly this is the case this go around. Kid talked to an ASM about the situation. I got involved because I help people go back to school at work. ASM thought I might be able to help.

Had anyone asked the Cubs what they wanted? I know all the Cubs, and a lot of the parents, were ticked off when this ban was announced. To my knowledge no one from national asked anyone about it before they banned it. Thankfully someone got wind of the proposed marshmallow ban before it went into affect. Maybe I'm old school, and think Scouting is for the youth. I think we need to listen to them and give them credit, especially at the Scout age and above.

Or the Tiger Cub with a plastic spork with a cutting edge who was suspended for having a "weapon" at school. Then again, someone at my work said I was "armed" because I had a P-40 can opener on my keyring.

I have had to touch Scouts and Explorers/Venturers for rappelling. Assisting someone to tie a Swiss seat, and/or verifying it is safe can be awkward, especially if a young lady is involved. Very glad to have other COPE staff around to assist and be in view.

True story from back in the day. When I worked for national supply, one of the things I did with new Cub Scouts was show them how to wear a neckerchief. I would roll it up, place it around their neck, put the slide on it, and do the old "slide to the nose" measurement for proper [placement of the slide. One day, I got called into the office. I was informed I was no longer allowed to put on neckerchiefs. A long time volunteer/ part time employee, who also worked at another national Scout shop, was doing the same thing I was doing. One mother accused the guy of inappropriate touching by putting

True. And a good SM will listen to his Scouts. And as a former 21 year old OA Advisor, I can tell you the closer to the Scouts age, the more likely they will listen to the Scouts, and have a better idea of what the Scouts want than us old fogeys. Yes that is the problem here. Crazy thing is I had a conversation with one of the incoming parents. Like me he came from a "Hiking and Camping" Scout-led troop. He knew one of the original batch of challenging adults, the one who wished the Scouts would fail. Incoming parent noted the change in that Scouter regarding Patrol Method when h

When I worked for national supply 1995-1997, they still had the t-shirt and sweatshirt and the awful cut out tiger paw iron-ons that came in a packet. They were in the process of switching to the whole paw instead of cut out paws. When I went back to work for national supply 2000-2002, The official Tiger Cub uniform was 1/2 blue and 1/2 orange. Orange t-shirts were still worn, and most only wore those anyway, but Tigers were suppose to wear the blue with orange top socks, Cub Scout shorts, and a Cub Scout belt with the Tiger buckle. They also switched from iron on paws, to a belt fob for bea

Tigers didn't wear a full blue uniform until early 2000s. They went from a T-shirt or sweatshirt only with the iron on decals from August 1982 to sometime after 1997, to blue with orange topped socks, blue pants/shorts, blue belt with Tiger Cub buckle, belt fob fort advancement, and t-shirt or sweat shirt, I think August 1998 or 1999 as I was selling that uniform in May 1999 through May 2001, to the blue with orange topped socks, blue pants/shorts, blue belt with Tiger Cub buckle, Tiger Cub Progess towards Rank shirt fob, blue shirt, orange necker, and orange hat. That is what all three sons

rue. I know I'm not going to get 100% of what I want for the troop, the Scouts left alone and in charge with real responsibilities and obligations and the adults sitting around drinking coffee and not doing a thing. One thing tI think I have over them is expereince. I've been dealing with Boy Scouts as a member, Scouter, and professional for 32 years now. I've been in 5 different council and involved with 5 different troops, six if you include one that I worked with indirectly as mentoring their SM. Plus I've had the opportunity to work with foreign Scouts, and see some differnt things

How to convince adults to stick with the Patrol Method. Specifically What are your arguments for patrol method? How would you go about convincing adults to let Scouts sign off on advancement? How would you go about convincing adults le tthe Scouts make their own decisions, and suffer the consequences? How do you convince adults that the Scouts really know who the best leaders are? How would you convince adults that having families camp with the troop is a bad idea? Anything else i'm missing.

With the exception of the olive green loops, and the entire remove green from the Boy Scout uniform insignia, but leave the red insignia for Webelos Cub Scouts and Cub Scout leaders who wear the tan uniform , I concur. There are a lot of different ways to say the same thing with the uniform. i'm even against the specialty loops for jamboree. that's why they got jambo insignia, belt buckles, etc for.

When I went through it, leaders DID NOT (emphasis) touch the Cubs except to pin the Bobcat badge on. Parents were the ones touching the Scouts and holding them. And this was something everyone knew about and was looking forward to. It was fun. In my years of seeing this done, approximately 15 years, NO ONE was upset by the practice. The Cubs were upset when the practice was cancelled. If I recall correctly, one family after the meeting did it in the parking lot with dad holding the Cub upside down, and older brother, either a Boy Scout or Webelos, doing the pinning. When several other famil

When It was done to me, parents were part of it. My Mom and one of the other dads held me. There was no value, it was FUN ( EMPHASIS , ok shouting a little with joy at the memory. wish my sons could have done it). And I can second the kids were the most upset. I was doing ceremonies with the OA when the ban came about. Lots of Cubs were ticked off that they could not longer do it. Reading Mr. Ruth's letter, his explanation is as idiotic as the ban on Cub Scouts using carts on a service project ( but that can do pushmobiles) and the ban on waterguns.

Actually when BSA decided to remove the red loops, and replace them with a second shade of green loops, it did get confusing. It didn't help when distributors and council shops were giving out wrong information on loops, as well as other insignia that came out with the Centennial Uniform. And don't get me started with the wrong info I got from a NATIONAL SCOUT SHOP ( emphasis) I still see folks wearing the bright green Venturing loops instead of the dull green Boy Scout ones.

Yes, please stick to the topic. This topic is extremely important to me as I want my sons and their friends to have as good, if not better, Scouting experience than I had. My oldest picked the troop because he liked it. But I wanted him visit it after I found out the #1 choice for both of us went to Trails Life. The troop had some minor issues at the time, but it had so much potential. Things were going well until a new batch of Scouts/parents/Scouters came in and issues arose. Not only growing to fast to soon, but also different ideas on how the troop is suppose to be run. We eventually work

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Sad thing about Eagledad's comment about adults not understanding patrol method is he is right, despite the fact that the former SM is a WB trained Scouter, the current SM is an Eagle, and the potential new SM is an Eagle. You would think that folks with experience would know better. I do know that regarding Scouts signing off on advancement, the potential new SM Eagle had a bad experience and he is totally against it as a result. Apparently his older Scouts kept having him come back and demonstrate the skills before signing off. And that is one of the stated reasons why Scouts do not sign o

I'm going to quote the Second Doctor, aka "The Hobo," "HHHMMM, I see you changed things. I don't like it." The yellow and blue neckerchief with a wolf's head is the oldest of all Cub Scout neckers as it is the original one. I don't like breaking traditions. Bad enough they are the wrong size.

Sadly we have had Scouts point blank say "we got this" and were ignored. In one instance the Scouts left the adult to do their jobs. And in all honesty, I don't blame them We got a combination. Some do not know what they are doing, despite being 'trained" Some are too impatient, and jump in.And we got some that get frustrated and cannot back off. I admit there was one time That I got frustrated at the situation, that I jumped in when seeing the SPL get ticked off dealing with the situation. Thankfully when he calmed down, he got me to back off and took back over.

Only reason I know is that I was told by him to count the ballots. When i counted the ballots initially it was a tie, and I went to him for clarification. I am use to the SPL no longer being a patrol member, and thus not being able to vote for a PL. That's when he mentioned the absentee vote and gave it to me to count. Personally I wish the SPL would not have voted with the patrol, excuse was he is still a member until next week, and that the SPL, or outgoing PL, counted the votes. Agree completely. I know dad is pushing him to get Eagle, and I beleive he is really the one

I agree. Especially on that last sentence. Unfortunately the troop is very adult led. I got a compromise of sorts last year, and with the Scouts having more responsibility it was working. Regarding earning respect, THAT IS KEY! We have one Scout who is also complaining about not getting elected. But he has not earned the respect. In the past he has complained about duties and work. And the Scouts remember that stuff. They want someone they can depend upon. That's part of the problem. IMHO they are not being cultivated. We do not have regular PLCs, meetings before and/or

Instead of putting this in Helicopter thread, starting a new one based on as specific issue, and one that will be raised at the upcoming adult meeting: troop elections. Here's background. currently the Scouts can have 1 six month term of office, and then cannot run for again for that position for six months. So I Sammy Second Class is PL from January to June, he cannot run for reelection until the next January. That was the rule before my son joined, and I've been told it is to spread the leadership roles around. Several ASMs and committee members are complaining that the same Scouts kee

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Yes, they can call law enforcement on you for trespassing if you don't follow the rules. We had a group at camp setting off fireworks, and they were kicked out of camp. Another time one "Scout" was causing so much trouble at summer camp, that the SM wanted him gone and contacted the parents. When the parents said no, they would not pick him up, it went to the camp director. Camp director discussed it with the parents and gave them a time limit to settle their bill, come home from their second honeymoon at Disney, and pick up the "Scout." Otherwise he would be turned over to authorities as tre