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  2. mrkstvns

    EEE reported at Scout Camp (RI)

    Just to put this in perspective, although EEE is a serious disease, it is NOT "rampant" or common in any way --- even in Massachusetts, which has more cases than other states. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the population of Massachusetts is 6,902,149. According to the Massachusetts Department of Health, there have been 9 confirmed cases of EEE, resulting in 1 death. (There were also 7 cases of EEE infecting horses, and 1 case confirmed in a goat.) Obviously, this means your chance of dying of EEE in Massachusetts is 1 in 6,902,149. Your chance of contracting the disease in Massachusetts is just under a in 766,905. That is close to your odds of being struck by lightning while in Wyoming (about 1 in 1 million). Do those kinds of numbers actually justify cancelling activities and creating a whole lot of hoopla?
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  4. swilliams

    Help With Internet Advancement

    Unfortunately, no. Because we don't use Scoutbook (we use Troopmaster), I can only view items on Scoutbook. The good thing is that the MC for the COH is a super bright kid who understood my instructions to ignore the merit badges with an 'R' next to them when creating the program, and add in the list of merit badges and awards I emailed him last night. My daughter asked me this morning if fixing the BSA software would be considered an Eagle project. The project of the century, haha.
  5. Thunderbird

    Help With Internet Advancement

    Are you able to put the items in using Scoutbook? Scoutbook seems more reliable (overall) than Internet Advancement.
  6. swilliams

    Help With Internet Advancement

    AGAIN! The software is doing it again. I can’t even. I work 50+ hours a week. I don’t have time for this nonsense. On top of that, all of the merit badges listed in the file from our last COH have disappeared. I double- checked in June, after uploading the file, and everything seemed fine. I can only see which merit badges a scout has from the Scoutbook site. IA won’t load the scouts’ approved/pending/started info. So o now I can’t update flags in Troopmaster, and can’t manually enter the missing merit badges. What a mess (which is not what I really want to call it).
  7. RememberSchiff

    EEE reported at Scout Camp (RI)

    Rochester,, MA (SE Mass): The Boy Scouts Haunted Hayride event, planned for Oct. 25 and 26, will be cancelled due to the Eastern equine encephalitis threat levels. In accordance with the Boy Scouts of America Council, camping or overnight events are still cancelled until at least three hard frosts with temperatures of 28 degrees or less have passed and the mosquitos which transmit EEE and their larvae are dead. https://sippican.theweektoday.com/article/boy-scouts’-haunted-hayride-cancelled-year/44480
  8. mds3d

    What our the BSA priorities??

    Nothing personal was meant. I was more emotional in one of my responses than I meant to be and did not come off as scoutlike as I should have. I apologize for that. @RememberSchiff Thanks for the reminder and perspective.
  9. RememberSchiff

    What our the BSA priorities??

    Okay let's refrain from personal attacks. Hopefully, tomorrow Oct 23, we will have a better understanding of BSA priorities. Thanks. RS @desertrat77 @MattR @John-in-KC
  10. ParkMan

    What our the BSA priorities??

    My take away from this thread is that it is very easy to get caught up in the politics of Scouting. The national council did this, my local council did that. Be it professionals, council volunteers, Wood Badgers, whatever. I'm not for a minute going to pretend that any of those groups always or even often make the right choices. As a long time volunteer, I've come to appreciate just how little any of that matters to a specific unit program. The program I saw in the 80's is very, very similar to the one our troop runs. The amount of district and council interference I see is remarkably minimal. The irony of this tread is that I think national is doing very little to impact the outdoor program - it's us who want to engage in national Scouting politics. You want to have a great outdoor program - have it. It's up to you.
  11. mds3d

    What our the BSA priorities??

    So for you, it seems to be more about how they conduct business than the specific actions they take (or don't take). I think I can agree with that. I think a lot of things come from a consuming concern for keeping scouts safe (both YPT and G2SS). I don't think this focus is wrong, but I think it has gone too far in some places (mostly the G2SS). I think the finances of National worry me, but they won't break the program. They may cause us some hardship, but they won't break it. Councils are where the program can be broken.
  12. yknot

    What our the BSA priorities??

    First, I really don't care about the social stuff and I don't judge anyone because labels are the worst way to judge whether or not someone is a decent person and trustworthy around youth. I wish to dissociate from the "real men" comment. Second, I think the core of what I want from National is that it abide by the Scout Law. I think if it had used that as a litmus test for every decision made, many of these disconnects between the leadership, councils, and units, would go away. National right now is almost unrecognizable as a scouting organization in its operations and, in my humble opinion, has lost its way.
  13. mds3d

    What our the BSA priorities??

    I'm curious. Other than what you think National has handled incorrectly, what do you want from National that they are not providing? What "more" do you want? This argument has come and gone. Scouts is not the holder of some specific moral code (and I'm not sure it ever should have been). Why are you so opposed to gay youth and scouters? Should those youth not have the opportunity to experience scouting? Has the BSA forced you to accept scouters you didn't want as leaders in your troop? The girl thing is decided, get over it. No one is forcing you to lead girls. Again, outdoor emphasis works best at the UNIT level. No one is keeping your troop from hiking, camping, canoeing, repelling, and what ever else you want to do. Real men? Are real men only interested in the outdoors? Are men (young and old) who are interested in other things less real men? I kind of hope the BSA runs people with your attitude out. It certainly isn't helping.
  14. JoeBob

    What our the BSA priorities??

    Withdrawn from social engineering? First they invited gay youth to be members, then gay men to be Scout Masters. Transgenders? Oh what the heck, y'all come on, too! And since BSA now allows girls to be in the BOY Scouts, you don't even have to stick to the gender you pick. Duty to God? Don't ask, don't tell; okay? WHAT TRADITIONAL SOCIAL BOUNDARIES ARE LEFT? I'd say that the Left has departed the field in utter victory. What else could they hope to accomplish? Drive all the straight males from the program? Wait. Maybe if BSA de-emphasizes the outdoors in the program, all the real men will get bored and drop out....
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  16. desertrat77

    What our the BSA priorities??

    The difference in strategic messaging, image and resource focus: Pre 1972/Improved Scouting Program: "The BSA is an outdoors organization." Post 1972: "The BSA is an organization. We do different things. The outdoors is one of those things."
  17. yknot

    What our the BSA priorities??

    I know there are many well meaning people working at the National level. However, I would wager that a lot of rational people would say that somehow, the ship has lost its rudder. Frankly, I think it's time for local units to work toward a down-up reorganization, because our parent organization is clearly not meeting our needs. Successful organizations do not operate this way. You are attempting to normalize something that is largely dysfunctional and unresponsive. The idea of National patting us on the head and saying, "Go, shepherd, go tend your sheep and don't worry about all this," is not going to help BSA survive long term. We're right to question. We're right to demand more. We're right to look for ways to make this relationship more functional. If we're in this for the scout, we're compelled to.
  18. mds3d

    What our the BSA priorities??

    I think you are looking in the wrong place for traditional scouting values. They are still there in the aims and methods. Of course, YPT is national's highest priority. The failure of this in the past is the thing most jeopardizing the future of the national organization. You can't blame the national staff of the present for that (you should blame the perverts of the past though). The background check forms are another step in that process. I want national to do everything they need to do to protect the existence of the program for future generations. As long as YPT (and the legacy of the past) is a problem then it will have to be a function of National. Abuse scandles are bad press, scouts getting hurt is bad press. Bad press is bad for recruitment. We have half the number of units in our district than we did when I was a scout (not counting LDS). The Eagle has been a priority for years. It was emphasized 20 years ago when I was a scout. As long as it is viewed as the end goal and a feather on a young person's cap for college and job applications it will be a priority. I don't see national or councils being the push for this though. I haven't been to Summit, but I don't have a problem with it. National is using it (like philmont and sea base) to provide things that local councils simply cannot. I see no wrong in this as long as it is handled. All of the fee discussion has come from panicked scouters and parents. National should have handled it better, but until the number actually comes out we have no way of knowing how bad it is. The outdoor program is supposed to come from the troop. Except for high adventure, it isn't national's job. Except for summer camp, it really isn't the local council's job. If you see shifting priorities here then it is a Unit problem. My units still spend a ton of time outside with boys learning great outdoor skills.
  19. Cburkhardt

    What our the BSA priorities??

    To the question: The priorities of National are to maintain a program template that works and arrange for sensible business services and highest-end program experiences unavailable at the unit and council levels. I think they are on-task and doing reasonably well, now that they have withdrawn from social policy development and enforcement — and now that they are conducting YPT effectively. The priorities of councils are to form and maintain units and to provide program experiences to supplement and support units (camp properties, camporee, etc.). The effectiveness of councils varies greatly. My long term experience is that the principal determinant of how well a council hoes to these priorities is the quality and engagement of the volunteer council board — and not the professionals. The priorities of units, like the 30-girl Troop I am Scoutmaster of, is to vigorously provide an outdoor program and, while there, foster leadership and self-sustainable among young people. I think volunteers do an excellent job at the unit level no matter the status of the unit —because we are usually doing the best we can with available recourses. It is striking just how many of the above comments stray so far from these fundamental priorities.
  20. Thunderbird

    Where would you go?

    If it jumps from $33 to $100, I see a lot of folks dropping. Lots of families (and units) simply cannot handle that much of an increase.
  21. Jameson76

    What our the BSA priorities??

    In theory it does not, but in practice it is a facility that is not fully utilized, and takes resources from other areas. In general it puts the organization at financial risk. For a local unit, not so much impact until they see the update registration fee and may not realize that some portion of that is in fact a Summit Tax. Similar to a unit that goes all out for popcorn sales working to exceed last year, not necessarily a bad thing in general, but units, like organizations, only have so much bandwidth and human capital. They all work on the sales and then other parts of the program suffer. There must be a balance. When National has to move things, make events, and work to make Summit relevant, it's an issue. Over time it will impact the outdoor program as there are only so many resource to go around
  22. ParkMan

    What our the BSA priorities??

    These sound like good things for a pack to use. Can you not do this now?
  23. ParkMan

    What our the BSA priorities??

    I like a good rant as much as anyone, but how does this impact prioritizing an outdoor program? If anything, providing more facilities for advanced outdoor programming is a good thing. The location is within a day car drive for a very large percentage of the US population. That would be good for encouraging more outdoor use.
  24. Momleader

    What our the BSA priorities??

    Bring back the pioneering and Native American skills and games that were in the old Cub Program. Let them play games that they can get filthy dirty in. Our fall hike was based on the old Bear leaf ID elective and the kids had a blast stomping around to identify them with an arborist dad. One Grampa in the group found paw prints near the water and the cubs were trying to ID them back at the luncheon with the old stalking/tracking MB books the troop in town keeps on hand. parents need to let the youth fail - fail at making a fire, or a meal or having their tent set up so it doesn’t leak. It’s not like they’re being sent into the woods solo to fail - there are friends and adults there so it doesn’t get dangerous. STEM/STEAM is good but they get that at school. What about letting the kids make the connection from ‘old’ skills to the STEMy stuff themselves.
  25. Momleader

    Where would you go?

    Actually they are voting today I believe, announcement tomorrow if the They includes scout execs I know ours will vote for more $$. He has to protect his well over $200k every year (yes it’s that high. Saw & read the annual report). He actually makes more than a few superintendents of schools in the council area. no matter how large and well funded a unit is. The increase in fees will have a negative impact on the program that can be delivered at the local level. Something that seems to have been lost on the bombardiers of this latest adventure.
  26. Jameson76

    Where would you go?

    Actually they are voting today I believe, announcement tomorrow. We are a large well funded troop, but there is a huge difference between a $10 rate increase or a $70 rate increase. We charter about 100 Scouts and leaders, looking at what could be a $7,000 shortfall, so options are limited
  27. Jameson76

    What our the BSA priorities??

    Maybe trying to figure out how to extricate yourself from the financial disaster that is Summit Bechtel, that is $500 MM - $750 MM that will never be used to support local Scouting programs. Needed money that was poured (shoveled??) into a vanity project by the Chief Scout Executive and the National Board who are so far removed from actual Scouting it's like a they are in another organization.
  28. ParkMan

    What our the BSA priorities??

    The challenge with all the information available in our society today is that it's really difficult to make sense of questions like priorities. The BSA's priorities are different depending on who you talk to. If you're the Chief Scout Executive or the national board, what's more important - fostering an outdoor program that already exists or trying to stave off financial disaster, continual declines in membership, or abuse lawsuits? If you're a local Scout Executive, is it outdoor program or keeping your council camp open and stopping membership losses? If you're a Scoutmaster is it outdoor program, patrol method, or something else? I think it's part of our culture today that we all get online and discuss the topic of the day. Hopefully most Scouters are with it enough that they put all this in proper context.
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    • Just to put this in perspective, although EEE is a serious disease, it is NOT "rampant" or common in any way --- even in Massachusetts, which has more cases than other states. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the population of Massachusetts is 6,902,149.  According to the Massachusetts Department of Health, there have been 9 confirmed cases of EEE, resulting in 1 death. (There were also 7 cases of EEE infecting horses, and 1 case confirmed in a goat.) Obviously, this means your chance of dying of EEE in Massachusetts is 1 in 6,902,149.  Your chance of contracting the disease in Massachusetts is just under a in 766,905.  That is close to your odds of being struck by lightning while in Wyoming (about 1 in 1 million). Do those kinds of numbers actually justify cancelling activities and creating a whole lot of hoopla?  
    • Unfortunately, no.  Because we don't use Scoutbook (we use Troopmaster), I can only view items on Scoutbook.  The good thing is that the MC for the COH is a super bright kid who understood my instructions to ignore the merit badges with an 'R' next to them when creating the program, and add in the list of merit badges and awards I emailed him last night. My daughter asked me this morning if fixing the BSA software would be considered an Eagle project.    The project of the century, haha. 
    • Are you able to put the items in using Scoutbook?  Scoutbook seems more reliable (overall) than Internet Advancement.
    • AGAIN!  The software is doing it again. I can’t even.  I work 50+ hours a week. I don’t have time for this nonsense.  On top of that, all of the merit badges listed in the file from our last COH have disappeared. I double- checked in June, after uploading the file, and everything seemed fine. I can only see which merit badges a scout has from the Scoutbook site. IA won’t load the scouts’ approved/pending/started info.  So o now I can’t update flags in Troopmaster, and can’t manually enter the missing merit badges. What a mess (which is not what I really want to call it).
    • Rochester,, MA (SE Mass): The Boy Scouts Haunted Hayride event, planned for Oct. 25 and 26, will be cancelled due to the Eastern equine encephalitis threat levels. In accordance with the Boy Scouts of America Council, camping or overnight events are still cancelled until at least three hard frosts with temperatures of 28 degrees or less have passed and the mosquitos which transmit EEE and their larvae are dead. https://sippican.theweektoday.com/article/boy-scouts’-haunted-hayride-cancelled-year/44480
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