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  1. Said it on other threads- let BSA make rank/advancement patches, but have uniform items be available from a third party source, similar to Sea Scouts. Get out of the overhead inventory cost, etc. Not sure you all got the same email I did this morning, but BSA has released the new uniform shirt into distribution, while still having the old one available. Yup, in the middle of a bankruptcy, they spent likely several million dollars fulfilling purchase orders on these things to sit in the warehouse...
  2. Rarity you'd have one in a true wilderness setting, especially a setting where you wouldn't have adults with you to use it. That said, I would not actually let the scout set it off to show they know how to use it. They could easily show how they would determine the direction to set it off, what overhead obstacles to avoid, etc. with a flare, without having them truly set it off in a mock wilderness setting during the summer when wildfire risk is high. Just not a good idea. Having them set it off in a wide open parking lot, doesn't really get to the learning objective of the MB requirement IMO.
  3. Additionally, a leadership project shall not be used in lieu of the listed PoRs for Eagle (it is only valid for Star and Life).
  4. I would rather it was incorporated in a fashion such as Cyber Chip, not as a MB. Primarily, I say that because if the message intended to be delivered is that on point, how does it make sense that a now 11 year old waits to work on that MB 2 days before their 18th birthday so they can get their Eagle application signed? I'll wait until I see the content of what is going to be included to pass judgement if it is duplicative or comprehensive, etc. I would not be against anything that helps to crystallize any point of the Scout Law into our youth, especially Friendly, Kind, and Reverent. There's enough going on in the world right now that they are experiencing that it seems pretty relevant to me. If our society were more idealized as Scouting is (or as some may argue, should be), perhaps it would not be so.
  5. Not that your overall point isn't valid, but to be clear this quote has often been attributed to Abraham Lincoln but it was never actually said by him. Robert Ingersoll said it about Lincoln.
  6. Take a freaking chill. I guess the 6 different versions of the handbook that span a few decades I have that don't mention this must all be wrong then? It was your SM that had the requirement, as SM has the final approval of who goes on the ballot. Accept that and move on. I see no reason to mandate what should already be an SM function- heard directly by a member of the National Board who is a former Associate Lodge Adviser from my Lodge that this question has been posed to them before, and was raised last year again when the discussion to allow Venturers and Sea Scouts in (as those programs start at age 14). You want her SSN too, just so you can confirm she is a real person, as you weren't there?
  7. Your unit placed that. It was never a National requirement. Councils/Lodges cannot place anything on what National does, so it was your SM that used that rule as to who he would give SM approval to for the ballot. The troop you were in as kid is certainly welcome to resurrect their history and do that if they want, but it will never get imposed as a policy.
  8. Correct. I have never seen any older version of the handbook that states there was an age requirement. It was always on merit of rank and camping nights that one could become eligible and voted in by the troop youth. Women were allowed to become members- as adults anyway- beginning in 1988. If we are concerned about the quality of the youth that are getting elected, and I too share those concerns in my role with my Lodge, we ned to look at the programs that are putting these youth forward. A 12 year old Star Scout that can't tie a bowline is a product of the unit they belong to. "Do Your Best" is a Cub motto, and that motto ends when they are no longer in the Cub program, in case anyone didn't get that memo. You don't go after that Scout, you go after those who signed him off to reach that level.
  9. To even use the word unjust is inappropriate- unless they are in only for the Eagle. I also see flawed logic in the postings regarding camping nights. When someone starts a post saying their unit is enthusiastic, and camps monthly, you have to do the math. Assume they started right out the gate 2/1/19. Say monthly camping March, April, May, summer camp in June or July, and a weekend trip the other month, then weekend trip in September, October, possibly November. In any event, that means likely 5 weekend trips minimum, plus summer camp = 16 camping nights? Getting 4 more by the end of 2020 is totally out of the question? And, with the extension option already there, I hardly see anything that is not just. The choice of words, for me, highlights the uber-Eagle problem. We all are missing on momentum right now, but take it as part of the journey.
  10. We did one virtual campout- SM gave in because two kids on the PLC asked as they needed to complete First Class cooking requirements. Both also needed a couple other requirements (the 3 R's, fitness requirements). Only two other kids in the troop wanted to participate, but we relented and let them do it. Halfway through Saturday they ghosted, but those two did film with a cellphone as they were cooking, so SM gave the OK. One of the others, we have no idea what they did. The last one, the parent checked off like 5 requirements in SB looking for SM to sign-off, including the compass and GPS. SM came to me and asked what I thought- I said no way to the last kid. 3 weeks later, those same two original asked about having another virtual campout- I stepped in and asked if they had bothered to reach out to an older Scout to get signed off on the 3 R's? Nope. Have they even started the 30 day fitness? Nope. Result- no more virtual campouts for us.
  11. I accessed the forums on Scoutbook this morning, looking for any tip on editing a feature. First time in probably two years since I had accessed those forums, and the first before they made the forum more than just about SB itself... OH. MY. LORD. The threads going on and on about how unfair it is that camping in the backyard doesn't count for Camping MB. How unjust it is that some of these kids will miss out on "getting Eagle" (one of the absolute worst phrases that makes me want to slap someone when I hear it- Eagle is not supposed to be 'got', it is supposed to be earned).
  12. You gave me a good laugh. Being from MA, though living here in the 'burbs, I'm experienced enough with our mass transit system. Within the city of Boston, it is very much the norm that elementary aged kids use mass transit- subways or buses- to get to their school. Many kids from the burbs attend private middle schools/high schools in the city, and they take mass transit to get to school. Parents drive them to the nearest commuter rail station, and off they go. To think we need a "program", such as BSA to teach navigating mass transit is ludicrous.
  13. I don't at all disagree with you that many other programs are out there that do STEM better than BSA. What BSA offers in this regard that is attractive to some parents: BSA does it cheaper. Cheaper doesn't translate to equal quality for sure. If BSA is going to keep doing STEM, invest to make it better/comparable to those other things out there, and charge accordingly. I've seen robotics workshops in my area that are weekend events (9-5 each day, with lunch only provided at an additional cost) for youth age 15-18 that costs like $350. These workshops have students from MIT, employees of iRobot, etc. involved, so seems pretty quality and for a kid into robotics probably a worthwhile experience. But if I as a parent can pay just a smidge more and send my kid to summer camp so he can work on robotics MB, though not at all a comparable experience, but meals are included, etc. - WOW! What a value! Reality is we don't have the $ to invest in STEM, and we are not going to get there after the next year is over, so scuttle it. Providing a mediocre experience in that is only going to turn those kids off in short order anyway, and then they will just sour on the BSA altogether.
  14. I would say an option that we, the unit, make the decision on who we feel should be the adult leaders. I don't need paid pros making that decision. In any business you like to have succession plans, so I as current CC would be looking to groom my replacement. I would make the call on who that is, who I feel is the best fit. Same for the SM and his/her replacement. Let the paid pros be concerned about the big picture, like YPT issues. As @dkurtenbach says, we should ahve the commissioner corp be interested in who I am designating as my replacement so that they can be there to support them once the transition occurs, that my unit is following GTSS and GTA, etc. Don't expect my church/VFW/PTO/etc. trying to take that on. But, yes, leave that option on the table that the current CO model can still be there for those that want that. Some orgs would offer meeting space even if they are not the CO. Our Legion post was not the CO for the first 47 years of the troop, but did offer meeting space and storage space. When the church that was the CO decided they didn't want to continue- even though they hadn't actually put any $$$ into the unit, or given meeting space for years- it was a natural fit to ask the post to become the CO. But, they didn't want any more oversight than what they had previously had.
  15. I would agree with this statement for sure. My son does like camping, but at age 17 he likes camping that involves allowing him to be in fairly in control of what he does while camping. He appreciates his first few years in his former troop that it helped him get to where he is advancement-wise and with some of the skills he has, but that troop is about advancement 90% of the time on their camping trips. Most of it is car camping only, the SM dictates that he wants a schedule from the SPL on what time breakfast is, what advancement activities are being offered from 8:30-noon, what is being done in the afternoon, what time dinner is, who's running the campfire program on Saturday night, etc. Kids are never allowed to leave the campsite unless the whole troop is doing so. At dusk, no one leaves the site unless they are going to the latrine. If you are an older scout, say 14+, you are expected to be teaching advancement. There is no real time given for kids to make an adventure of their own, whether it be fishing with a few of their buddies, or taking a hike to scenic spot, or playing ultimate frisbee, etc. No going on a star gazing walk at night. So, it becomes a rather one-flavor boring affair after a few of those outings. I would say that in my time with the troop, about 30 kids received Camping MB. In reality, less than 8 of them actually did the type of camping required by requirement #9b and only because they had been in the troop for 4-5 years and the once a year "special camping trip" overlapped with some of those options. The troop he is with now encourages advancement, and the older kids helping with it, but otherwise it is up to what the PLC wanted for the afternoon. as long as the kids are doing what they want safely, and understand that that if we observe something being done that should not be they will lose the privilege, they go off and do what they want. If the theme of the weekend is a backpacking trip, then obviously it is going to involve backpacking, and it is up to the kid to decide to attend or not. We strive to have at least one camping trip a year cover one of those options from requirement 9b, so we know that every kid will have options to complete those things. We strive to have balance, so some not-so-comfortable experiences will be had, some car camping experiences will be had, and some HA will be had.
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