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    • You may not solicit "money", "contributions", or "gifts". Goods are either "contributions" or "gifts". All fundraising, and I mean ALL fundraising, has to be Council approved. Popcorn is, by definition, Council approved. Popcorn is also, by definition, not solicitation. It is the sale of a good/product. All else needs to be Council approved to ensure compliance with "the Charter and Bylaws and the Rules and Regulations of the BSA." The Charter, Bylaws, and Rules and Regulations (these are 3 separate documents) ALL prohibit solicitation or "money", "contributions", or "gifts" except by a) National and b) Council. Except that yeah, you are soliciting for "contributions" and/or "gifts". So, rules violation.
    • The game we always have to play is ask for the goods, not the money, but then we can accept any money offered to buy the goods. It's all about how you say it. Or at least how you start the conversation. We can't ask for money but asking for the goods right away can be off-putting. The strategy that has worked for me has been to just put out the word that we're looking to get something and just seeing what people come back with, whether that's in the form of donated goods, funds, access to discounts, or any other assistance. When I needed to purchase things for a service project, I put out a community announcement about what we needed and the public came to me either with a donation of the actual items we needed or offering to help with funds to make the purchase. I didn't solicit money, I simply informed the local public about what we were trying to do and let the public help however they chose to. My Pack did stop me at the point of wanting to make an Amazon wishlist for items, they viewed that as solicitation. I'm not sure how exactly. We can ask people to buy popcorn to fund projects and activities, but I guess we can't ask people to buy stuff directly for those projects or activities? In the end we still got what we needed, technically without soliciting anything. It's just a silly game we have to play to get from point A to point B, even if the end result is the same as just asking for B from the start.
    • I've heard this comment before from others.  I'd be curious for people to expand on this.  What are examples were you've seen professionals fired who were doing a good job?  No names of course.
    • I would suggest just re-writing it if you can remember any of it. That's what I've been doing for various ceremonies and scripts. I just did the Webelos Tribe story at a den meeting, and I took what i found online and modified the heck out of it. A lot of this stuff was never official BSA programming, and was just written and/or edited by various scouters over the years. I use those documents as a starting point, but I re-write stuff as needed. Not just for cultural significance but also just to get the right kind of story, ceremony, or script for what I'm trying to do. I even edit campfire skits, songs, and stories. Not too much that it changes the story, just to personalize it or to get it into a flow or tone that I'm more comfortable with so it sounds more natural. Or to add local flare. When I do the Horrible Pirate story and the narrator says they were down by the docks, I say "down by the [Your Town] Docks" to give it a local reference (and as a bit of added comedy since because we have no bodies of water in or near our town). My point is, scripts in scouting don't need to be adhered to exactly. These aren't exactly sacred documents, they have already been edited and revised numerous times over the years. Take what you like, remove what you don't, add whatever makes it work better for you. Same for the face painting. Don't worry about how close it is to whatever your remember being done previously. Ultimately what you want with the face painting is a color that matches rank. Put a couple of bars of the rank color on each kid's face and you're good to go.
    • Eagle.  I never thought in a million years I would have ever heard that said from a BSA Pro, current or former.  I commend you for having the courage to lay it out here for all of us.  I also commend the exceptional environment Scouter.com gives us in order to share, support and learn from each other's experiences in BSA's many micro climates and pockets of alternate realities. David CO, I do agree with you about executives only really caring about their livelihoods as an employee of Scouts BSA.  Luckily, I been able to work with a handful of exceptional (now laid off) Scout Professionals who never got valued for what they kept bringing into the Districts and Council.  With all that, I'll always have faith in Scouting; it's something far more.  As Nick Fury said, ""Until such time as the world ends, we will act as though it intends to spin on.""
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