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  1. karunamom3

    2019 World Jamboree

    Thanks. We are going for 2 days with 5 from the Troop & 3 Cubs.
  2. I know this is an older topic, but if you are going with day passes, how many days are you going for?
  3. karunamom3

    Sea Scouting

    So, 8 months after this trip and today my son tells me that he would like to be a sea scout when he is old enough... and continue to be a boy scout. 😲
  4. karunamom3

    2019 World Jamboree

    How many days are you going for? I just discovered today that day passes are possible even for cub scouts. I think we may take the drive, but not sure how many days to go for. I was thinking 2. Or maybe 3? Any thoughts on this from anyone.
  5. karunamom3

    Help. Little advancement.

    Thanks to everyone that responded. Such great advice & support. Tonight is the troops leaders meeting where we hope to hash it out. We have a council rep joining us to listen and give 'friendly advice' in his words. We plan to voice our concerns, lay out our options/facilitating them (staying, going, etc) and point blank asking the current SM what his intentions are. I will update tomorrow. If we stay, the 3 of us will take leadership roles within the troop. I will not give up CM because I just started. This is my first year & I love it, I really do! As for the girls troop, it may just have to sit on the back burner for now even though council won't like it. We shall see. Yesterday, I found out why the current SM may be hanging around... he is running for elected office as freeholder. So, being SM looks good on his resume I suppose, but he is failing the youth in the process.
  6. karunamom3

    How many freebie meeting visits?

    I agree this is a very different situation because in this case, the AOL is covered by insurance. For us, we do not let parents leave if their child is visiting & not registered. They need to see what is happening because ultimately they will decide if the child joins. Also, our biggest concern is insurance. After 2 meetings, maybe 3, we pressure to complete paperwork.
  7. karunamom3

    Help. Little advancement.

    So many good thoughts in your comment @ParkMan. Thank you. Yes the troop is on life support and has been for at least 6 to 10 years. The pack was, but we have gone from 3 to 18 active scouts (22 registered) in 3.5 years. I have come to realize that the troop does zero recruiting! They rely simply on crossover scouts and word of mouth. The pack on the other hand is more active than the troop in every way & has a good recruitment program too. Your 2 points are spot on... my son & my CO some tough decisions are ahead. I did think of contacting a former SM to see if he can help the troop. I do not think he would give 2 years. I am hoping for a few months, but any help would be great. I think 25 to 30 scouts is a lot & with even 15 to 20 you could run a more sustainable program than we have. As for your 2 simple recommendations, we follow them with the pack. A calendar is created in July & we do stick to it. The troop on the other hand is another story. They still dont know where they will go for summer camp. They have few plans & they do not go into the new year with a plan in place. It drives me nuts & I warned the leaders at January's leader meeting that that will be changing.
  8. karunamom3

    Help. Little advancement.

    We are dense here, east central NJ. We have the only troop in town, but there is a boy troop in the 3 towns around us. 2 are less than 10min from our CO and the 3rd is less than 15min. The female troop is linked to our boy troop (shared equipment), but we will be active with another female troop in 1 of our bordering towns.
  9. karunamom3

    Sea Scouting

    Last summer we took our cub scout pack on a trip around the Statue of Liberty on a sea scout ship. It was by far the best outing our pack has done in the last 10 years. It was, interesting, fun and a real educational experience. One of our Cubs plans on joining the SS when he is old enough because of his great experience on that trip.
  10. karunamom3

    Help. Little advancement.

    Thanks malraux. I needed that reminder. T2Eagle, I am not concerned about the female troop for my daughter yet because she is only a Bear Cub. Although council wants it to start now, of course & understandably. I realized the lack of camping/outdoor program was a real issue when I was at a training course about first class requirements. When I asked how we could get them there with only 3 trips a year at most the room fell silent and jaws dropped... it was discussed weather the troop should even exist any longer. Also, I do understand about advancement not being the focus, but when the scouts are upset & unhappy themselves about it then there is a problem.
  11. karunamom3

    Help. Little advancement.

    I forgot to add... there is a troop leaders meeting on Monday. The 3 scouters who the pressure is on will be there. We intend to ask the SM why he is still involved and discuss no advancement and troops future/us staying. The CC & a council rep will be there. If you can think of anything we should discuss lmk.
  12. This is a hard post to write since there are so many issues that have compounded over time. Here is the whole story. Back story: So our CO has a Troop & a Pack. They have existed for many decades, 1960's perhaps. In 2014 the pack temporarily closed & the troop was barely hanging on. In January 2015 they revived the pack with 5 boys & that is when we came along. We ended in June with 3 boys but were able to recruit more over the summer. Every year I am told that they dont know if the troop will hang on long enough for my son to cross over. At that time, the same man was the SM, CM, Webelos & AOL den leaders. His kids were out of scouting for at least 5 years. He was tired, burnt out and was done. His mom is the CC of both pack & troop. His dad is COR of both pack & troop. Both in their 70's. The family has a very long history of scouting in our town almost from the start. Over the past 2 years, the man who did it all has left all positions. Pack: I am now CM, DL and plan all camping & activities. There is little parental help and we have 18 kids. But we are rocking it & having fun. Over the 4 years I have been there I have questioned why we do certain things & can we change them with the usual no response. Such as... we cross over in June not feb/March, we do no activities with the troop besides a food drive, AOLs do not attend any troop meetings as required. As I get more training I realize things are not right. I forced a joint camping trip last & this year so we are making progress. Troop: is a mess and this is where I need help. My son is crossing over this year! The troop has 7 boys, which is a lot for them. 1 is an Eagle, SPL but rarely comes. The SM is zero help. He is the president of our CO (American Legion) so during troop meetings he is cleaning or fixing something, hanging out with CO members, basically not there. He rarely if ever goes camping or on an outing. He usually backs out last minute leaving the scouts & committee scrambling. The CC & COR do not like him as SM & want him out. Problem is there are no parents willing to take over as SM. All of our committee members except for 1 have not had kids in the program for at least 10 years. They are older & burnt out. The troop camps approx 3x a year at most because there is no adult leadership to go. The scouts are not advancing. We have a scout with 35 MBs and is still a tenderfoot. Another has been there for 2yr 9mo and has not made tenderfoot. Our newest scout has been there for 7mo and still no scout rank. The meetings are so boring, the kids just sit at a table all night long, a parent has complained to national, 3 scouts are considering leaving, one 'hates' scouts, one wants to be with the Cubs because 'they have a better program and are more fun'. You get the picture. There is no PLC because they were told that you must be 1st class to be on one. None of the scouts are 1st class except for the Eagle who is rarely there. Here is where it gets even trickier...since I have 2 girls in Cubs, we decided to start a linked girls troop. We plan to run an amazing girls program, scout led. Female troop is chartered. How can I run a great troop for girls, meeting the same night, while my son is bored to death twiddling his thumbs and not progressing. Ugh. This is tough. Council expects issues to arise. To compound it, council advised the new female troop leaders to visit other troops so we can see how different troops run. We brought our AOL sons with us every time & now they see what a troop should be like. So do we stay or do we leave? We found other troops our sons really like. If we go, the fear is scouting in our town will implode (by us & council). The troop has been waiting for my sons den to cross over with 5 boys & active parents. It's a hell of a lot of pressure on us when all we want is a great program for our sons. The 2 scouter families (me & another mom/dad, 3 of us) can not physically, mentally or emotionally keep Cubs running, revamp the boy troop completely and start a female troop. If I knew just how poorly run the boy troop was I never would have initiated a female troop. To top it all off the COR & CC husband & wife are taking a leave of absence because he has been diagnosed as terminally ill. So if we leave now, we are the bad guys who ruined our towns scouting while he was sick and destroyed their legacy. If you are still here, thanks for reading! Any advice at all is greatly appreciated!
  13. karunamom3

    PW Derby Car from past year

    Thank you The Latin Scot. You gave me a lot to think about. I like your idea of not awarding 1st, 2nd & 3rd. We used to do best in show chosen by someone not involved with the scouts but that led to an angry family and a scout quitting also. We can't win it seems. We did 'include' by shaving off fractions of a second. It would have been a hell of a lot easier to just disqualify, but we would have not been happy to see a scout walk away not being able to participate. We tried to find a middle of the road solution. When will we learn that we will never make all families happy.
  14. karunamom3

    PW Derby Car from past year

    We did think about letting it slide to make our lives easier. They problem was that 1 of the cars in question caused a big to do the year before. Many families thought it was wrongfully modified. It was a car no one forgot. So on the flip side. We had parents who followed the rules and took the time to build a new car questioning if we were going to let them run it again. It was a tough spot to be in.
  15. karunamom3

    PW Derby Car from past year

    You bring up some good points. We are following the district rules because our pack will be hosting our district PWD. Hmmm... good idea to go over the rules with each parent. And if this should happen in the future, a chance for a scout to redo their car is also a good idea. I would imagine some of this trouble would have been avoided if the parents had a heads up beforehand. "Is it worth keeping them around"... we have been asking ourselves this question. Both families dont fully participate. Dont help out, very rarely go on outings, have never been camping and both boys have been with us from Wolf and are now AOL. Both families are the big complainers of the group and are not team players in any way. Always complaining & never helping. Both have debated before about weather to continue on with scouts. You get the picture.
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