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  1. Could someone please publish the latest link to the "communication standards" we are supposed to use when writing something for the paper? I'm helping the troop public relations scout (a scout who writes press releases and sends into the local newspapers) It occurred to me that with all the changes Boy Scouts of America to Scouts BSA I cannot find the information on national's site. And with the linked troops in the area it makes me wonder...how does one refer to ourselves in writing? We used to publish as: Town Boy Scout Troop 1234 Should we now call ourselves: Town Scouts BSA Troop 1234B (all male youth members) and if a Linked girl troop starts up Town Scouts BSA Troop 1234G? Is it still acceptable to use the words Troop 1234 open to young men ages 11-18 or Troop 1234G open to young women ages 11-18? Will our troop have to change all the troop numbers to include a B or G addition - or is that only required if troops are linked? There must have been some written guidelines published but I can't find them today. yes, a message was sent to our DE with this question but they are still busy with getting the new Troops for girls up and running and paperwork processed, and scoutbook stuff so this is low on the list.
  2. How many freebie meetings are potential scouts allowed to attend and participate in? I’m involved in both the town Pack and Troop at the Committee level and there are several youth who have been attending Den , pack and troop meetings as “guests” regularly. All the Parents have been given the applications and offered payment plans to pay registration costs. Some have been given the paperwork several times - yet it never returns when they drop off or pick up the scout to be. The youth aren’t in the same family so it’s a couple of families this has been happening with, and while both Troop and Pack are willing to help find them financial aid to pay the fees - both can’t register the youths without paperwork. How many freebie try it outs are allowed? When do you say - “we’re sorry, your child can’t continue to visit weekly without the paperwork”?
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    Just got 1 girl

    Our DE had the brilliant answer of go recruit more girls (we have very strong brownie units in town) - gee, like we hadn’t thought to try that! A real hard part of this situation is the dad who is the leader has the lions. The daughter is a bear and the bears and lions meet st the same night and time just in different church classrooms. The bear den has a leader and assistant leader (both men - and both who have asked me to attend den meetings since they feel uncomfortable having her be the only female in the room). For the most part I have gone to the meetings and worked on pack paperwork in the back corner of the room but I’m going to be selfish here - my youngest is almost out of high school. I don’t mind helping with paperwork for the pack and such but having to go for den meetings every other week is starting to get old. If the girls dad was able to be in the room I would feel better about it sliding. It isn’t her fault the mom isn’t around - why should she miss out. I don’t know that going to another pack in one of the neighboring towns would work for the family. We don’t want her to miss out and we can’t afford to lose a leader over this. Since none of the other lions parents would step up to be a leader and those are next year’s Tigers.
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    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    Sorry Sydney - you weren’t a registered Scout prior to completing the work and ‘earning’ the badges. How are you any different from a friend or little brother who tags along but never joins - they don’t automatically get The rank & patches. You wanted to have an equal opportunity, worked for it, and things got changed - here you go now you’re equal in the eyes of Scouts BSA. You do get the extension and you should have an easier time cranking through the eagle required MBs and getting your eagle paperwork done as you advance from Scout to Life Rank you’ll just have to be determined and focused on not missing deadlines just like any young man that joins at 16 years old and hears the message from guidance counselors in school or college essay coaches “Eagle Scout looks good on college apps”. And those young men exist. Don’t try to cheat the system - you worked to change it and succeeded. When you try to game the system for your own reward, you could look spoiled. Work to earn the Eagle Rank - but follow the rules while earning it.
  5. While it's neat that Girls are joining, let's not forget the vast number of Boys that are already members. AMEN!!!!!
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    Just got 1 girl

    Our Pack has their first girl join last week. Her dad is her younger brother’s leader. We currently have no ladies as leaders besides me. The dad is a single dad too. Can he Lone Scout her through since dens need to be single gender?
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    And so it begins

    Sorry, my internet of saying to let aethists and Jehovah witnesses join scouts wasn’t to group them as the same. I know they are vastly different in their beliiefs. Just put them in the same sentance because they are both groups of people that don’t usually have their children join Scouting one because of the Duty to God and the other (as told to me by a JW - it’s the pledge of allegiance more than anything) which honestly I thought was odd since that persons husband was also a member of that church and active career military at the time. But what ever career they chose thats Their business there are lots of very good people that are atheists and agnostics but it might be difficult for a youngster to understand what duty to god means if they don’t believe in a higher power especially at the very young cub age
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    And so it begins

    Gimme a break! All this PC stuff is getting to be too much. We are all being told to focus on the hot news byte of the week, atheism, Christmas songs & tv specials.... whatever. Let the atheists and jehovah witnesses join - but remember part of being reverent is being tolerant and not judging how and what others believe. And that goes for ALL - that means NO religion/lack of religion bashing as it would be unkind and discourteous. Betwteen this and the WSJ article and fallout, no communication has come from our council other than a regurgitation of CSE’s message. It’s been a rough week answering parent questions about the news.
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    Juvenile Offenses and Ethics

    I’m sure this family is in turmoil. As frustrated as you are, this is still a child. Please remember that part about “ A Scout helps other people at all times. “ - it applies to us adults too. Maybe this young man needs someone to give a damn to be sure he can get back on track to “keep himself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight”. An ounce of kindness can go a long way. Kids don’t get involved deeply with drugs because everything else in their life is hunky dory. It usually starts out as something to try and then mushrooms or spirals into something more difficult to get out of - add in any other issues (educational/psychological) or familial problem. Kids can be hurting in so many ways adults don’t always see. Just like the Charlie Brown Christmas Tree - maybe he just needs a little love. Remember kindness.
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    In recharter hell today. And got notification our council program fees will increase next year (rumor says another $10). If the rumor is true It will actually cost more than national’s fees. Welcome to the new math.
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    Helping PTA & Promo concurrently?

    Thanks for asking. We showed up. There wasn’t room for the derby track so it stayed in the car. Basically the folks who set it up asked us when we got there to make sure kids weren’t running around like crazy (their parents were there) and stayed in the program area of the gym not roaming the halls. So they wanted security. It was a flop as a recruiting opportunity. The high school club sent kids to work an activity table.
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    Helping PTA & Promo concurrently?

    Thanks!!!! We are going to bring a section of track and legos to build derby cars with. A giant checkers set (painted blue and gold) and some cub word searches and I have a box full of old boys life magazines that were headed to the library sale (when you have 2 boys in at one time you always get 2 BL - glad I saved them)
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    Prizes/rewards for popcorn booth sales (Show & Sell)?

    You first 2 sentences are your answer. In his old pack. And now they are part of your ‘newto them’ Pack. This is a lot of grief over a toy/prize that might not be worth the $$ amount difference. I swear sometimes parents get wrapped up about the smallest things. I would love to see a story about how a pack or troop takes all the prizes earned from popcorn and donates them to a children’s hospital toy cupboard or to the local social services toy drive at the holidays. Purposely selling to benefit their pack/troop and give joy to another child in the meantime.
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    AOL Bridging Up Issues

    We have one parent that has been difficult to say the least. All of a sudden they want their child to bridge up because they don't want them to be a part of our pack and they want it done by the end of the year. They want to move on to a troop (that their other boys are in) because they do not like our troop or pack, apparently they do not like what we are doing. You do what you can for the biggest number that will benefit - some folks are never happy with anything. It’s a shame they waited until now to voice their displeasure have they offered to help make it how they think it should be? We had a Webelos who’s parents wanted him fast tracked to be able to hang with the AOL boys since he likes them better. Apparently boy has done Most of the Webelos requirements on his own over the summer. Father was adamant this happen for his son. Even though the kiddo is just in 4th grade and young for grade. “Very advanced. academically” in dads words. After much consideration and talking with the 2 den leaders who would be working with this boy - we talked to the dad and showed them the timelines involved for rank. And said we would like him to stay with the age group that corresponds to his grade and since both groups meet concurrently we thought it would be best. Dad disagreed strongly so the Dad was also offered that I as CC would talk to other area packs to see if they would fast track son so that he could advance to a Boy Scout troop at the end of 4th grade with the boys moving from 5th to 6th. I gave him contact info for all the packs too. The dad agreed and NO pack in our area would touch this idea with a stick - they were using the timeline as their argument. The key is to let them see you’re trying to work with the parent to solve their problem. Because it’s probably more the parents issue and not the child’s. Some things just can’t be fixed or the solution they want to happen. Ours didnt come back, after being told NO by 2 other packs stating the organization doesn’t accommodate a very advanced child. Next step would have been to suggest they talk to the Scouting with special needs people to see if they could help their child get the accommodation the parents desired but it didn’t get that far.
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    Helping PTA & Promo concurrently?

    The local PTA phas asked for help at an event. Basically offering activities for siblings who don’t want to participate at the event but were brought because the parents brought them with the kids who did want to participate. They suggested having a story time & craft available. The leaders and I were thinking something more Scout like but without giving away our program. Anyone have any ideas? What about picking some elective adventure activities that works well across rack ages and doing that? They balked at us bringing our banner/table cloth but said it would be ok for us to have leaders and Den Chiefs in uniform but absolutely NO passing out paperwork. (I have super basic business cards made already if parents ask how to get more info - it’s basically a QR code to our website and the logo). We like the idea of helping the community - even if they have restrictions we pushed back on, like the uniforms issue. Explained to them it’s important for us as we wear uniforms on community service projects (field and activity uniforms depending on service type) anyone have any fun fast ideas? Of course it’s our ideal target age range too. We won’t have use of the Gym just a corner of the multipurpose room where the main event is happening.