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From the one case I am familiar with, the individual was temporarily reinstated while the trial was going on. When he lost his case, membership was revoked. Individual had an appeal filed, but when SCOTUS ruled on the Dale case, saying BSA had a right to approve and reject members, he ended his appeal.

As @yknot said, it is recommended, not required at this time. When I first took the Aquatics Supervision training courses several years ago, we were told that there is a push by some at the national level to require the Aquatics Supervision Swimming and/or Aquatics Supervision Paddle Sports in order for troops to do aquatic activities. But that has not been implemented. Personally those two courses are better for troops than BSA Lifeguard. BSA Lifeguard is more of a pool certification now than waterfront.

@ThenNow, would you mind changing the quote to @johnsch322 since he is the one you are quoting and not me? His quote is below. Thanks in advance.

Sorry, I cannot remember where I read this at. It was in a book on the topic, maybe Scouts' Honor, a book referenced in a previous post. Did a report on this topic in undergrad way back in the day. And like an idiot I got rid of almost all my stuff from that time.

Prior to Mandatory Reporting Laws for youth organizations, starting in the 1980s if memory serves and varied state to state, policy was for removal of abuser, and report to the Scout Executive (SE). SE would encourage family to press charges as BSA could not legally do so at the time.. Whether charges were pressed or not, SE filled out paperwork and any supporting documentation to national office. Once in the IVF, every name registration form was checked against the IVF. This could take months as it was prior to computers, and names had to be checked manually. It was also time before SSNs and drivers' licenses were required on forms, so I did read about a 2 to 3 folks using aliases to get back into BSA after moving. But that was rare. Initially when YPT came about in the late 198os, want to say 1988 or 89, any abuse reports would go to the SE because mandatory reporting laws varied greatly. Nowadays it report to local authorities then the SE.

Agreed. That is why if cases prior to mandatory reporting did not have the victim's or his parents' approval to press charges, nothing was done legally to them. All BSA could do is place them in the IVF. Also I want to apologize to @johnsch322 for the snarkiness of my post at the end. YP is an extremely big deal for me, and I get ticked off, to put it mildly, when people say things get swept under the rug today. As I have posted previously, I have had to report a friend and long time Scouter who was for a YP violation. As I sincerely stated, I hope I never have to do that again.

I've commented previously on why the IVF were not widely known, and why information in those files were kept confidential. Not everyone in the files were arrested and convicted. OldScout448 mentions how one abuser did not have charges pressed by the parents, but was placed in those files. One person I know who was placed in the IVF did have a criminal investigation done, and was essentially exonerated by the investigators. They found enough evidence to support her claim that the teenager was being a peeping Tom while she was showering after the Scout's lights out in the assigned times for the adults. Even though she was cleared, her reputation was ruined, and she was never allowed back in the BSA. As for the latest incident, I like chocolate filled donuts thank you.. BSA volunteers have been mandatory reporters for quite some time now. I can tell you first hand that reporting abusers does indeed happen. I hope I never have to do it again.

In what setting are you talking about? I know when I was a provisional SM one year at summer camp, there really was no patrol method. At the training I went through and staffed, monitoring by staffed was done. But you still have a lot of "Storming, Forming, Norming, Performing." One thing That may have helped prevent the 'Lord of the Flies," but was extremely detrimental to patrol performance, was the patrols were aged based. In both situations, the younger Scout patrol at training, ages 13-14 and First Class+, were the ones with the most challenges and had the most problems.

@Sentinel947, I pointed out another case with someone using the same methods to show this is not just a BSA problem, but a societal one.

My point is that no one is safe anywhere. Perps will do everythinf in there power to get what they want. I mentioned specific locations that were deemed safe, where activity has occured. As for the camera guy, he was setting the cameras up in the bathroom at his house, other peoples home bathrooms and even in one person's bedroom. From what i have read and heard, it does not take much time to set one up, and they are extremely difficult to find.

Regarding the videotaping at a camp shower, if I can find the link, I will post. Read an article where one college guy recorded over 18 ladies in bathrooms and showers. He would go in the bathroom before them, set up the cameras, and record. He did this at his and other folks homes. The cameras are extremely difficult to spot.

Don't be too sure of that. Climbing harnesses and Swiss seats can be tricky put on. I know I was extremely careful putting those on females back in the day. Also knew one couple, both climbers, who swore they did some nighttime activities on a tower. Two consenting adults staff members were sent home for fooling around in a canoe at one camp I worked at.

African or European?

Camp we went to had staffing and food issues as well. I have been told by those who have been there it previously that the food was not up to what it has been in the past ( it was the worse camp food I had ever had, and that is saying something. We had folks get sick because of the expired milk). And they were short staffed. Other than that, Scouts had fun, even the one who told me midweek "I never want to come back." He wants to go back in a two years.

I am going to assume it depends upon the camp you are at. They were available at the camp I attended this year.

Been in a lot longer than 2005, and never knew there was a second verse.

We would be considered a "Hiking and Camping" troop, but add in Biking We weekend camp every month except December ( Service project for CO and Day Trip), February ( 2 Weekends of Scouting for Food and Scout Sunday), and the month of summer camp. I know of troops that will do two week+ long camping trips, but one is usually geared towards older Scouts and high adventure. Problem is getting enough Scouters to take the 2nd trip. Usually if they have to decide on one trip or the other.

Sadly there are people who would consider it battery and try to press charges. True story, a long time Scouter was retired and worked for a Scout Shop for a little extra money. A brand new Cub Scout and his mom came in and was getting uniform, books, etc. Scouter showed the new Cub how to wear a neckerchief by rolling it up, putting the slide on it, PLACING THE NECKERCHIEF AND SLIDE ON THE SCOUT (emphasis), and pushing the slide up. This was done in the Scout Shop with other people and the mother present. Mom freaks out and files a complaint against the Scouter for inappropriate touching. Guy loses his job, gets placed in the IVF, and law enforcement got involved. I got called into the office and told that i was to no longer put neckerchiefs on anyone because of this incident.

I made my own pocket device for the pins for less than $2.00.

Cell phone is now a required device for an emergency kit for Emergency Preparedness MB. Troop had a "no phones at camp policy" and several Scouts came to us saying the E Prep would not sign them off unless they had a cell phone in their kits.

My thoughts. I was conducting the transition training in 2015, and know one of the folks involved on the 511 Committee that made the changes. 1. The current program is NOT the original new program that came out on June 1, 2015. National watered down the changes in December 2016, without advising the committee they were doing so. Not all packs had folks attending those training sessions. If the pack in my area that did not attend was like the others around the nation, it was a major "Charlie Foxtrot." They had no clue what they were doing, had a poor program and complained about all the changes. I know the pack I was with did not implement the December 2016 changes until May 2017, once the School year ended. 2. Not having the correct program info hurt. National hadva large inventory of books with 2015 info when the made the changes. I saw some of those books years later still being sold. In fact my youngest got one of the 2015 Webelos books in 2018. 3. The program was designed for some repetition of activities. It required imagination on the parts of DLs to expand on those parts and make interesting. 4. Middle Son and den enjoyed the 2015 Webelos Program. Since they were almost finished with AOL rank when the program abruptly changed, they carried on with 2015 requirements. 5. Only boredom I found was with youngest. But he had been tagging along with older brothers since he was in diapers. At some points he was helping teach his den mates . 6. I have no experience with Lions, but from a burnout point of view, i think it contributes. 7. The imagination, creativity, experience, and zest that a DL has directly influences program. The Program Helps are just that, HELPS. They give a foundation. The more you add the better the program.

Some of the folks earning MBs were averaging 7.5 MBs per week. I call foul. Even an SM of a girls troop who has girls advancing faster than the affiliated boys troop he was SM of is calling foul on that. The one person I personally know that earned every single MB took him 7 years to do. He got his last MB right before turning 18. The young man then went on to complete the Hornaday Award as a Venturer. Forgot to add that I believe it is possible to earn Eagle in 19 months. I have seen some outstanding youth, male and female, do so. It took a lot of work and determination to do it and I applaud them.

This topic has come up with the Scouts in my troop. One is so disgusted with the "merit badge inflation" that he is no longer considering completing his Eagle because he believes it is meaningless now. The rest were ticked off at the the unbelievable number of MBs that folks got since COVID hit. Yet when you comment on it on other sites, you get attacked for raising questions and concerns. And I also met someone with all 130+ MBs back in the day. It took him until he was 18 to do it though.

With CSDC and folks working on their own, my former pack's advancement was asynchronous. The only thing that folks waited on was AOL and Cross Over. My youngest was finished with AOL 2 months before the last member of his den finished it. He started attending Troop meetings as a guest prior to Cross Over to not be bored.

The rise of Merit Badge Universities (MBUs) has increased the number of MBs folks are earning. With COVID, Virtual MBUs with 100+ kids taking an online class has from all over the world has. Some folks recently were averaging 7.5 MBs per week. From what I have seen, experienced, and heard about, I got real questions about the thoroughness of these virtual sessions.