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1) No power tools. 2) No adult help except to say "here're the plans". 3) I think a handicap ramp would make a lovely piece of furniture "on the home grounds". Donate it to the county fair and build it on THEIR "home grounds". 4) Make sure all the participating Scouts DEMONSTRATE the use of the listed tools. The older Scouts helping the younger Scouts. Don't bind granddad's 9 point crosscut saw in it's kerf by pushing too hard. Keep it straight. Let the saw do the work. I hope the saws have been recently sharpened (where can you get that done? THAT ought to be a requirement. "Know someone who knows how to sharpen a saw". ) 5) It is a rare thing for ONE man to build a house. Let the cooperation and teamwork be an unwritten "requirement" of this badge, and let the pride of skill and accomplishment be an understood part of it. 6) When I first read this MB, I did not understand the idea of a "piece of furniture". Four 2x4s & a piece of plywood make a table. Is that meeeting the requirement? If the boy helps shingle the roof of a storage shed that he also helped build, is that a "piece of furniture"? 7) Build the ramp. They will come. Years later, the Scout can point at it and say "I helped build that. That's my nail." And then his son can repair it....

Oh yes, PN (pre nylon) days, we went out sans adult lots of times. Parent drives Scouts out 5 or 6 miles, and says"good luck!" and we hike back. Take us to the bus station, give us fare, we'll see you at 4pm, and we're off for a trip to the Smithsonian. Drop us off at the theater for a special showing of "KING OF KINGS" (a LONG movie, with intermission!), and come back at a different place around the corner (stop for dinner together). This issue is, after all, about trust. Can we (they) trust the Scout to act appropriately and not get hurt or lost or damage something or embarrass their parent/Scoutleader/community? I did not even consider the idea that I wasn't trusted by my folks. Why would they not? All my buddies were about the same that way. Our folks trusted us to not do stupid things like be less than well behaved in public or in the woods. Just so we came home on time with all our appendages in working order. I think it was the rest of the world they didn't trust. I remember my dad instructing me how to keep my money in one pocket and my wallet in another and my keys in another and how to tell if a pickpocket might be giving me the "once over". And stay together, don't wander off away from your friends! They are depending on you, you know. Safety in numbers! Course, all that was about Urban hikes; the woods had other things to watch out for. That's where the Scout training came in, SM and Senior Scouts and all. Trustworthy goes both ways.

Aye, they be guidelines mostly... Back in pre nylon days, (canvas tents) my Troop had policy... it was handed down, senior Scout to newbie, SPL to PLC to Scouts. Verbally. No sneakers on hikes and overnights, good boots only. "regular" shoes for uniform, not sneakers. Uniform with unipants, at Tmeetings, in public, when traveling. Long socks if in shorts. No hot dogs or balogna on campouts. Patrol gear was kept by the Patrol QM, and was NOT to be returned dirty or wet. Make sure you show your parents the mimeographed(!) schedule they handed out at the Tmeeting for the next three months. Behavior problems? Usually peer response was sufficient. If not, SM was "in loco parentis" (no, I didn't know that term then)in all things. You DIDNOT want the SM to speak to your parents about ANYTHING except at the CoH.

Aye, they be guidelines mostly... Back in pre nylon days, (canvas tents) my Troop had policy... it was handed down, senior Scout to newbie, SPL to PLC to Scouts. Verbally. No sneakers on hikes and overnights, good boots only. "regular" shoes for uniform, not sneakers. Uniform with unipants, at Tmeetings, in public, when traveling. Long socks if in shorts. No hot dogs or balogna on campouts. Patrol gear was kept by the Patrol QM, and was NOT to be returned dirty or wet. Make sure you show your parents the mimeographed(!) schedule they handed out at the Tmeeting for the next three months. Behavior problems? Usually peer response was sufficient. If not, SM was "in loco parentis" (no, I didn't know that term then)in all things. You DIDNOT want the SM to speak to your parents about ANYTHING except at the CoH.

Amateur historian that I are, I would venture to say this is an OLD, as in before WW2, Scout hat. It has a ribbon band, and a string chin lanyard. It has a thinner, as compared to a wider brim, indicating a Scout rather than an adult hat. Also note the Heart/Life badge pin, a big one. The modern pins are relatively smaller, I think. The red of the heart implies that the color is close to true, and more modern hats are a darker hue. Someone at the Scout Museum could no doubt look at the inner band and label, if still there, and give a definite dating. Your Grandfather's?(This message has been edited by SSScout)

Ummm... 9 pages, only 35 or so more to go. Anyone address the PM problem?

BDPT00: If you read my story, greatly condensed, you know I have not had "satisfaction". Did my real email not come thru?I would welcome your comments or advice. Kahuna: I am not the fellow on the Yahoo Jambo Listserv, but if you PM me, I will "attempt" to return with my story for your consideration.

BDPT00: If you read my story, greatly condensed, you know I have not had "satisfaction". Did my real email not come thru?I would welcome your comments or advice. Kahuna: I am not the fellow on the Yahoo Jambo Listserv, but if you PM me, I will "attempt" to return with my story for your consideration.

BDPT00: If you read my story, greatly condensed, you know I have not had "satisfaction". Did my real email not come thru?I would welcome your comments or advice. Kahuna: I am not the fellow on the Yahoo Jambo Listserv, but if you PM me, I will "attempt" to return with my story for your consideration.

Interesting. The last time I had mutiposts, they were instantaneous. Note the times for the above duplicates.

"But I was just kidding! I didn't REALLY mean that! It was a JOKE for chris'sake! Couldn't you tell? It's what kids do nowadays! It's just words! " = Uh huh. But then, how do I know when you DO 'mean it'? If it is said, verbally, or electronically, or on paper (remember paper?), it is being "said". "A Scout is Trustworthy". "Let your yeah be yeah and your nay be nay. And what is once said can never be recalled, or erased, only apologized for. I do not like the FB for that reason. Even the folks that I have as "real" friends, I have politely refused to be their FBfriend because of the far reaching effect of it. I like looking at family albums, and sharing that, but I think that it is far too far reaching. Privacy and security systems are, in this eworld, not assuances of real privacy. I will listen to anyones sharing about work problems, empathize about girl/boy/significant other problems, by phone, in person, even email (which I will then turn around and say let's get together and talk about it). But broadcasting such things out into the world is asking for trouble. Collecting "FBfriends" numbers (nyah nyah, I've got more ASMs in my list than you) is kind of in the category of the chain letter of old to me. Perhaps it is a reassurance to the FBpager of their popularity? I liked the story of the MYSPACE Eagle candidate. Could anyone see in his page that he was a Scout? Why should he mention it at all? Why indeed?

OGE: I recieved your PM this Saturday am. I pasted and clicked the hyperlink, and filled it in, and "send"ed it. It registered as "sent", but then the dreaded "504 Gateway Timeout" page appeared. I set up and again attempted to send via the hyperlink from the PM, but the little green line at the bottom of the page did not lengthen very fast, and then stopped entirely less than 1/2 thru, and then the "504 " page appeared again. A sob, a sob, a sobsobsob...

OGE: I recieved your PM this Saturday am. I pasted and clicked the hyperlink, and filled it in, and "send"ed it. It registered as "sent", but then the dreaded "504 Gateway Timeout" page appeared. I set up and again attempted to send via the hyperlink from the PM, but the little green line at the bottom of the page did not lengthen very fast, and then stopped entirely less than 1/2 thru, and then the "504 " page appeared again. A sob, a sob, a sobsobsob...

I have received some PMs from the good posters here, but have seemingly not been able to send to them and be received. I have tried the hyper link included in the PM to me which I received, and I have tried the PM link on the original postings here in Scouterland. None have been received, 'twould seem. Comments ? Common troubles?

And to think I was surprised to discover that the swatiska was really a hindu good luck symbol, and a sioux good luck symbol, and a Scout good luck symbol...

Amen to BDPTOO. Comfortable walking shoes. It's not rough terrain, You will easily put on 4 or 5 miles a day, or more. And extra socks. Not pure cotton. Wool or blends or ...(? I forget the name). Our Staff camp in '05 had lots of mini clothes lines festooned with rinsed out socks every day. Dust and heat and humidity. Have fun... Any luck with the PM?

BDPT00 PM? Yet?

Raffle? Scout camporee? Raffle?

Don't forget our old friend Smokey Bear ("The" is NOT his middle name!) www.smokeybear.com/kids/default.asp

Can't please everybody. One CO will lose it's Scout unit. The DE loses a unit (looks bad on his record). Somebody has to pull the number off their uni and sew/glue/velcro on a new number. It may indeed seem like the right thing to do from a community viewpoint, but you will get some negative vibes along the way. Considerations: where is/are the Boy Scout units(s)? Where are the supportive parents? Make sure all sensitive toes are taken into consideration. Yoour "good idea" may not, at first blush, seem too good to others. It is not a District or Council concern, except as noted above. It only really concerns the involved COs and parents and Scouts. Good Luck.

BDPT00, didst receive PM?

Electronic chain letter.

Moose: "Omish"? Could you mean "Amish", as in "Pennsylvania Dutch" (which have little or nothing to do with Holland)? Good people, but you won't find any Scouts among them. Jakob Ammann, Swiss Annabaptist...

So, if Scout (brown fleur d'lis) is not a rank, then Bobcat is not a rank ,too?

OO - OO- .... Concept! "Wii Axeyard!!" No blood, rub file on blade to sharpen, angle is importatnt, use contact method, fell trees with big axe, carve necker slides with pocket knife... When redwood is cut down, extra points if you yell "TIMBER!!" loud enough, vibration machine when it falls, Two people use crosscut saw, cooperation, positioning, speed, How do I patent the idea???