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  1. All the more reason to emphasize IOLS, I guess. Anyone want a bucket of various axes and hatchets?
  2. Our Cub Pack was chartered by a CO "of convenience". The Pack had minimal gear (flag, ceremonial stuff, a wood PWD track). The CO had no interest in any of it. As our Pack would not have sufficient Scouts or adults interested in continuing or recruiting or "rebuilding", the committee spent the treasury on sending our Cubs to camp, gave the PWD track to another Pack, gave the flag to the Council DE, and parceled the other stuff out to the adults interested. The last thing we did was have a "last summer picnic". The CO was invited, did not attend. We ate up our last treasury funds. The last 5 Cubs : Two went on to Eagle in two different Troops, one quit and went sports. two moved away....
  3. Here, at the top of a new mixed use high rise development in Fairfax VA. . . . . . https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/circular-logic-theres-no-scout-for-fairfaxs-scout-on-the-circle/2020/10/24/c6f0d154-1552-11eb-ad6f-36c93e6e94fb_story.html (sorry, Scouter won't accept the webp file)
  4. Well said.. I was observing a newly elected PLC of a half dozen PLs and SPL and ASPL. The Scoutmaster wanted them to rough out the next years schedule. They sat there WAITING (that was exactly what they were doing) for the SM to TELL them what to do, what to WANT to do. The SM made some suggestions, things the Troop had done in the past, new ideas he had heard from other Scouts... finally, the SPL said, "you mean I can make that decision ? ?" The SM spread out his hands and said "DUUUHHH ?"" the year eventually was planned and the Troop had some old and some new adventures. Before he aged out , that SPL finally was brow beat by the SM to complete his Life requirements and was awarded his First Class, his Star and his Life all at the same, last, CoH. He eventually became a head cashier for local bank. He did Scouting.... BP's idea was that the older Scouts teach the younger ones. MAYBE the adults teach the older Scouts (Totin Chip, Orienteering, Pioneering, etc.) but the Troop Instructors, the Troop Guides, the PLs must be the ones who example and role model the skills and Scout stuff. Otherwise, "my parents make me come" will be the reason rather than "Jake taught me how to set up my tent and cook over a fire.".
  5. Yep. Off load, save the "historic" ones for a display and keep the newest ones on the flagpole... What we have done is double stick tape them to tri-fold boards to display at CoHs and such. Some folks like seeing the "First Place at the Scoutarama, 1958" . or the "Camporee 2000 Best Cub-mobile Racer"....
  6. Family dynamics. Scout Troop/Patrol dynamics. Sometimes kids pick the wrong parents, they might meet /need a Scout Leader to latch on to for exampling, for a role model. The adult (adult?) Leaders need to think about other things/places besides the Troop Meeting or campsite. Scoutmaster's Minute? What /Why are we in Scouting ? to "earn" colorful patches? Is that all ? What do they represent, really? Or are we here to explore, go places and do things other kids may never have the chance to? Who is the better Scout? The fellow that drops a log in front of someone so they can trip on it and be laughed at? Or the one who reaches back and helps his buddy over that log? How do YOU want to be remembered ? As a HELPER or a HINDERER ? And think of this: Your Scout Promise and Law also applies outside of this meeting room. Outside of the Scout camp. "You mean I should be Trustworthy, loyal, cheerful, helpful and all that stuff at home? In school? Really?" yes, really.
  7. The sash used to come in three sizes: Two badges wide, and three badges wide long and short. I never understood the two badge wide one, the Scout always needed the three wide one, eventually. My mom made me use the long three wide, and just safety pinned it up until I grew tall enough (that didn't take too long !) .
  8. Get your backyard/church yard/local park certified as wildlife habitat: https://www.nwf.org/Home/Garden-For-Wildlife.aspx "When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe." = John Muir =
  9. I apologize for the misunderstanding. Your "Scout Unit's" church. It does not sound from your description they are asking all Scout parents , but the Unit's Scouters... Again, if they are asking all registered Scouters to agree to this statement, read the fine print and see if you can agree to it. If not . . .
  10. Your church is asking YOU to agree to it, not someone else. That said. if the church is requiring this of any and all Scout Leaders in the Units they will charter, that is another issue and may well limit the folks that allow their kids to be in those units. But again, it is not the PARENT of a Scout that is asked to make such a promise (A Scout is Trustworthy) only the registered adult leader..... I have known of Troops sponsored by a particular faith that only allowed folks of that faith to join. That is their right, but it severely limited the size of their Troop and Pack. AND,,,, I have known Troops that were sponsored by a particular faith that made it quite clear that anyone was free to join their Troop with the understanding that the Scouts there in would be governed and adhere to the church's teachings and ritual.....
  11. Love it. I wish I could say the same, but at least I was able to POINT at the Scout camp of my yoooth for my nascent Scoutson (Camp Roosevelt on the Chesapeake Bay, now part of the Calvert Cliffs Nuclear Power Plant). *sigh*
  12. Every "style" is an alternative. Like the carny barker said, "ya pays yer money and takes yer cherce". What we are doing, methinks, is making sure our Scouts understand better the choices. The 'alternatives'. And the results of those choices. Some folks call it 'Karma', I guess.
  13. Mama Llama, you are in Nawth Kay Row Linah. I truthfully know nothing about your situation. Up here in the Washington DC area, we have many active, wonderful Packs and Troops of Jewish consideration. I have a good Scout buddy, Scoutmaster of one, just earned his Wood Badge. Here is a connection for you: https://www.jewishscouting.org/ Remember the Cub Scout Mantra: KiS MiF, KiS MiF... keep it simple, make it fun. See you on the trail....
  14. In any group/organization/association/club.... there are the ideals, the goals, the "official" reasons for the organization's existence , and then there is the reality of what happens. The people that define the organization (US Constitution? US populace?) are what make the ideals, the goals achievable. Or betray them.... BSA (and , I dare say, other Scout associations around the world) has that situation. So do Churches, Mosques, Synagogues, Boys/Girls Clubs, Soccer Clubs, swim teams, gymnastics schools, public Schools, private schools, equestrian rings, and bird watching groups..... Parents must believe their kids when they come and complain about a youth leader, or a class bully. Adult Leaders in the youth clubs need to act proactively to threats to their charges, with integrity and clarity. Criminal activity must be treated as such, after appropriate investigation. The BSA (et al) have learned these necessities late to their regret. The present day BSA now has many safeguards in place that, in hind sight, would 've profited our earlier days. A thoughtful teacher of my past days in high school was recently convicted of child molestation. It was headline news in our local paper. I had nothing but pleasant memories in his french class. Obviously, someone else did not, and the teacher is being properly dealt with. Nothing hidden. The past BSA unfortunately, did not deal with such problems as openly . This is a lesson hard to learn, and the BSA organization is reaping it's just rewards (lawyer fees are another discussion). All Scouting Is Local. The local units, Packs, Troops, Crews, Ships, Posts, are locally organized and run. The "brand" is national, indeed, international, but the Scouting is you and me and our neighborhood VFW , volunteer fire house, Rotary, Methodist Church and synagogue. If we see something, hear something from our Scout(s), it is not up to Irving to do something about it, it is up to us. The BSA as it is will not be here this time next year. It will be changed. But the Scout Promise and Scout Law will be here. The Poison Ivy will still be on the tree . The rain will still leak into the 12 year old kid"s tent. The 50 miler canoe hike will still be the memory of the old woman or man after you and I have been recalled after our warranty is up. Mama Llama (I'll give you the song in a minute), if your opinion of the Goals of Scouting (kinda like the British constitution, I guess) is such that you want your youngster to reach for those particular stars, then help him , and any other Scouts you meet, along the way. Don't forget, they will be picking out your assisted living facility. Good Scouting to you, I'll see you on the trail. https://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/llama
  15. I agree with all theabove comments/suggestions. Observations: Does the family have any other children? How do they deal with them? Only one child? If , as has been stated, the school system provides a para educator, that person is PAID (tax dollars) to be with the child. I was a sub teacher, worked occasionally in Special Ed, and have great respect for those folks, it is a "leading", a profession, and very draining and challenging. Scouting is not that, we are well meaning volunteers. AND,,, as we all know, sometimes the parent does not want to be a parent. Ever have a Scout dropped off at summer camp and you need to call the parent only to find (surprise!) they left on a caribean cruise 2 hours after they dropped the kid off? Who to contact for the broken arm? The parents here need to be reminded that even tho there is a Membership Fee, that only entitles the Scout to "participate", not to be "minded". This is a quid pro quo (where did I hear that before?) situation. . You help with my Scout, I'll help with yours. Together we will raise good citizens. What is this family offering in exchange for us providing their urchin with the opportunity to go camping, hiking, learn knots and what Poison Ivy looks like? It is a given that Scouting is not a one size fits everyone. But it is also known that sometimes (SOMETIMES) Scouting can be just what the Special Ed kid needs, with a mom or dad's support. Sometimes......
  16. Woodbadge camp near Harpers Ferry near to the AT. Food storage was in big plastic coolers, tied shut with rope. Everyone was aware of critter visits. We all slept in separate, one person tents. One morning, after a rainy night, under the "breakfast pavilion", my buddy asks me how I slept, I said fine, you? He said he was kept awake by the "bullfrogs" grunting all night. I found this amusing, as did the rest of the WBers, because the creek was a good 500 yards away from our campsite. Upon further inspection, we found bear tracks thru the campground, in the muddy areas...... Bears do grunt, or is it a "wulf, wulf..." sound?
  17. I don't think you can copyright a color. Otherwise, all the Walmart cargo pants would be an infringement. The BSA buttons with the BSA Eagle Fleur de Lis are a copyright issue, but the GSUSA gets past that with their GS Trefoil... Look at the Rose Bowl Parade videos , with the Gold Award Scouts marching with the Eagle Scouts. Similar uniforms? Stretch your imagination, maybe. But what a concept ! GSs working with BSs ! I think BSA has bigger problems than worrying about a purple golf shirt under a tan cargo vest over dark green cargo pants/skirt......
  18. All kids (ALL kids) want to belong to a gang. A club. Whether that gang creates something or destroys something is the question. That gang of kids in the vacant lot (not too many of them left) that shagged a bat and chose up teams is one such. The gang that self forms and because they all came from the same country is another (Sharks? Jets? ). The older kids are looked up to by the younger. The younger learn how the game is played by watching the older kids. MS13? Scouts? What really is the difference between the two? Who got to the kid first? The Patrol Method works, and it HAS to work without the interference of adults. That is the problem with the New Scout Patrol. Where is the continuity? I was in THE Eagle Patrol for six years ! Loyalty was endemic . We passed on responsibility because we saw it modeled by the older Scouts AND the adults. The chance to EARN rank was just that, a chance, up to us. The hikes, campouts, summer camps were opportunities to learn, practice skills, and earn the ranks. The adults MADE the opportunities, they did not require we use them. We had a choice thereby. The previous discussion seems to be about the idea that often, today's Scout doesn't have the chance to fail, the choice is already made for him/her. You HAVE to succeed, it is required. The skills are taught, the MBs are schooled, the campouts aren't so much about getting out and seeing if you read that part of the Handbook for Boys (!) about keeping warm in cold weather (mom wil make sure I have my mittens, right?) as they are about earning (earning?) First Class by year one..... What was it the 2nd grader said? "It's not FAIR ! !" How'd he know that?
  19. Donations? Did the Scouts wash/dry/vacuum the car out? Did they do a service for the "donation"? What was a carwash worth to the washee? The Scouts still DID a service. Placing US flags on your front lawn during a holiday and retrieving them later. Buying and having the Scout(s) spread mulch/wood chips for you... I once saw a Cub Pack do a "tent set up demo" at a shopping mall . For a price ( ?$5. sticks in my mind) the Cubs would set up a tent for the payee. Your choice of tents, I think. It was fun watching the Cubs rip the parts out of the bag and get the tent up in minutes. It was a "service", an entertainment if you will, but the Cubs worked to earn those bucks. Did folks throw some extra into the pot? Sure, but the price was posted. Then they took it down, repacked it in the bag and waited for the next customer...... Christmas trees and "holiday decor" . . . prices were usually about the same as at the Lion's Club stand or even Home Depooo, but one had a choice of tree and seller. Capitalism rampant. The idea is the Scout needs to take some responsibility for the cost of camping, yes? Council buys and maintains the camp (we hope). That takes big(ger) bucks than operating a Pack or Troop. Sense of scale and experience.
  20. Earning is still different than asking for money. A Scout should early on (from family?) learn/discover the connection between effort and reward. I had (and so did our kids) an "allowance". It was , yes, a gift, but it had strings. Chores to help the family home along. Learn to budget and save. They are off as adults and all doing well, thank you. See my previous post/answer. The BSA has enough present trouble without being thought of as purely a poor "charity" of kids who can't afford to go to camp on their own.
  21. *sigh* "" It depends" (always). One of my courses was a "set up your Patrol Camp" (bring your tent) type. One was in a just vacated summer camp and the tent platforms were still up. (two to tent). One was we come in and Set Up Our Tent Platform prior to the summer camp. None were expected to be a Philmont hike to the site camp with all your gear on your back type. The concentration is (or was !) on Scout Leadership, not so much Scout Skills Demonstrating...
  22. Need a Campfire Story? Bedtime Story for your Lion, Tiger Cub? Thorton W. Burgess,,, 170 books, over 15,000 newspaper columns. Ought to be a Scout regular. Book series entitled "The Boy Scouts of Woodcraft Camp". Paddy Beaver, Reddy Fox, Ole Bob White, Betty, Billy and Cubby Bear, Peter Rabbit (alias Cottontail), Jerry Muskrat, Lil' Joe Otter, among others. Surprised he isn't mentioned more often in Scoutland. Has Nature preserves named for him. Get the reprints (if not the original from your grandmom's shelf) and introduce your young Scouts to him.
  23. Contact Hosteling International . . . Used to be American Youth Hostels. They are still in business, and would be glad to talk to you about "licensing" the site. It has to beowned by SOMEBODY, and lived in for responsibility and care.... https://www.hiusa.org/
  24. When I first assisted teaching IOLS, I suggested to my professor that we include some copied pages from my 1959 edition FieldBook. He agreed, and those pages have been included in every IOLS syllabus since. I once assisted another districts IOLS, and when I noticed they had their campfire building before the Wood's Tools, and shouldn't the Scout learn to use his axe BEFORE he cuts up firewood, they said "we never noticed that....".
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