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  1. I think for the most part, the comments have been that the boys being shirtless was not a problem. The only other comments have been that the ASM who initially brought this up has a problem, not that the boys should have been told to put shirts on. So, I'm not sure there are any "prudes" other than perhaps the ASM that started the whole thing in our Troop. Just my thoughts... Al
  2. I'm back from our chat with the ASM. It seems that his concern comes from something that he was told earlier in the week last year at camp. He said that one of the younger Scouts mentioned to him having heard another younger scout make a comment about the muscles of one of the older Scouts. He took it that it was meant in a "sexual" way, but when I asked if he knew that it was intended that way he said no. I explained that many of the younger Scouts look up to the older Scouts as role models and that the comment could have been a totally innocent with a meaning like, "wow, I want to be str
  3. OK, just to clarify something, and perhaps it's my fault for the way I have explained things. This is really not that big of a deal in the Troop. It was brought up once at camp last year and now in one committee meeting. The truth of the matter is that everyone likes the ASM in question and doesn't want to hurt his feelings or upset him. In that vain, I am leaving now to meet our SM. We are going over to the ASM's house to speak to him to see if we can understand where he is coming from. Hopefully we can come to some kind of reasonable resolution. By resolution, I mean something that wi
  4. In the thread this one is spun from, the question was asked why we had a somewhat inactive ASM. The answer is simple. Our Troop will sign-up any willing adult to be an ASM, even if they can only attend a couple of outings per year. We even have ASM's who are away at college and we're lucky to see them on one outing per year and just a handfull of meetings in the summer. It was stated that by the same person in the other thread, that their SM hand picks each ASM and each patrol has an ASM assigned. I'm assuming that this means that there is basically the same number of ASM's as Patrols. W
  5. Yes, I also don't think this is something that the Committee needs to handle, but it was brought up at the meeting and the Committee promised to respond by the next meeting. Since posting this last night, I have received two phone calls from Committee Members who also don't think this is something for them to even address. The Committee Chair also feels this way, that's why they want my input as the adult leading Summer Camp for the last 4 years. As far as this guy being wound tight and micro-managing, he normally isn't that way. In fact, he normally doesn't even come on outings (only
  6. Thanks for the replies... I hope to get some more feedback as our Committee Chair wants my feedback before the Committee takes any action, if any. I really don't think anyone else (adults) have a problem at all with what happened. As a rule, you wouldn't normally walk into our campsite and find shirtless boys. Like was said it was extra hot and they were on their way to bed. I'm trying to gather my thoughts and come up with a suggestion for our CC. I am an ASM not the SM, but have acted as Summer Camp SM for the last several years (our SM cannot take a week off in the summer).
  7. So the week we were at summer camp last year had to have been the hottest week all summer. We're talking 100+ degrees during the day and 85-88 degrees at 9:00 to 10:00 at night; oh and very high humidity. Some of our Scouts were going down to take cool showers before going to bed one night and came back and hung their towels on the clothes line and proceeded to get ready for bed. In the process, a few of them sat down with the other boys that were talking under the dining fly before going to bed - four boys sat there shirtless. We, the adults, were sitting accross camp in our adult area.
  8. I should point out that by this time; we (the adult I contacted earlier and I) have contacted the other two adults to discuss the situation. They also agree that it shouldn't have happened. Beavah, I would never act as you indicated. This is why I have made sure to contact these men personally. They will be the people at the meeting to bring this whole thing up. They will lead the discussion toward making sure that the committee and other adult leaders understand that this should never happen again; zero tolerance. I on the other hand, will bring up my own transgression which was t
  9. "So, you are using some posts on a message board as an excuse for not following one of BSA's very EXPLICIT rules??? Really?? Grow up Good Grief! Wow, so sorry to disappoint you! If you read my original thread, I was already admitting to the fact that I realize that I did the wrong thing, and basically admit that I was stupid & lazy for not having done the right thing, because of the cost. I came here for advice, not insult. Its easy to hide behind your anonymity; most of us here do that, and Im sure that face to face your comments would be friendlier. Everyone else has give
  10. To clarify; No youth were consuming alcohol. The three adults who were consuming alcohol: One is the COR and father of one of the Scouts on the outing Second is a committee member and is husband of the Committee Chair and father of the SPL Third is also a committee member and father of one of the Scouts on the outing Two have been trained and all three know the Guide to Safe Scouting...
  11. I am a bit confused about what to do with a give situation or what should have been done. Our Troop went on an outing recently where we stayed in a large cabin. There was a bunk room for the boys and a separate bunk room for the men. All went well with the outing except that both nights the flask of whiskey came out. The first night it was just one or two mixed drinks (coke & whiskey) before bed. Thinking about the thread on the Scouter.com forum that this thread is spun from, I did not want to be judgmental or step out of my proper place to point out the clear rules infraction, s
  12. Good Day, In our case we try to do as SMT244 mentions. We do all of our planning with School calendars sitting on the table. If we have half of our Scouts in Band, then we do try to schedule outings around their contest dates and parade dates. Typically band does not interfer with weekly meetings. Similarly we try to avoid Dance and Homecoming weekends when it comes to our Troop outings and COH's. I know this sounds like a lot of stuff to schedule around, but even with 2 School districts represented, we seem to be able to do pretty good at avoiding most stuff. When it comes to H
  13. Hello, Shortridge said, "It would also require some changes to the logistics of conducting an Ordeal". Can you explain what changes would be required? Since we already have women involved, how does an 18-20 year old woman change things? Xtreme has asked about an 18-20 year old female ASM joining the Order. It does seem that a woman whose family has a history of Scouting involvement could join as an ASM at 18 years old. Not all 18-20 year old females will be a part of a Crew as there are some areas with no Crew nearby. According to the comments here, an 18-20 year old femal
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