Sentinel947

That's how we get tedious trainings done. Get a trainer (generally me) to conduct the training at a meeting, where those folks typically are anyways.

I like your stages, but I don't think they are always sequential. My troop has been very good at recruiting and retaining new scouts, ever since I joined in 2005. Stage 1, very good. From 2007 till about 2013 the patrol method was basically dead in my Troop. Throughout that time there was very little small group leadership. Stage 2, very poor. We've lost most of our Scouts at that year 2-4 mark. My entire time 2005- till now, my Troop has had pretty good SPL's and Troop Guides, who have been mostly well coached by adult leaders (not always the Scoutmaster). They kept the troo

There are plenty of us out there fighting the good fight.

My troop was in that rut about 8 years ago. We had a ASM start offering backpacking merit badge. A few of us with loaner gear loaned it to the scouts to go. Now our troop has 3-4 backpacking trips a year. Not all the boys go or want to, but it's been key in keeping older boys engaged in our program.

Youth Protection Training is required for Youth staff at Summer Camp and NYLT. It helps to have more people trained and aware.

I think I can somewhat answer this. Folks who aren't fans of NYLT/Wood Badge feel free to chime in. Full disclosure: I've been to Wood Badge and NYLT. I've staffed NYLT, and I've just signed my life away for another course this summer. I'm sure at some point I'll staff Wood Badge, but right now at my age, I feel like I have much more to offer to NYLT and the youth staff there, vs Wood Badge staff and participants. I love these two programs, and they've helped me help my troop quite a bit, since I went to NYLT in 2009 and Wood Badge in 2015. NYLT and Wood Badge both have great potential t

"Adult lead, Youth run" Is a confusing phrase, because it's reliant on the listeners interpretation of "Lead." As long as the Wood Badge Instructor teaches it right, it's not a big problem. The way I explain it to newbies, "Adults advise and train youth, youth lead and run the program." In my opinion the role of Adults is contradictory. On one hand, we have total and complete responsibility for safety, and we have a responsibility to be good stewards of the resources entrusted to the troop. On the other hand, the Scouts will not step in and lead unless the adults train them AND provid

Sounds like somebody is afraid for her job. I've never met a girl scout who's girl scout troop was heavily involved in outdoor programming. The girls that were interested in that sort of stuff joined Venturing as soon as possible. Letting girls in the Boy Scouts is a chance to grab some of those girls, who if the Boy Scouts don't allow girls, may drop out of Girl Scouts in late elementary school and never return to Scouting at all before they are eligible to go to Venturing. The type of girls who would be joining boy scouts are not interested in the program that most girl scout tro

That'd be my "breaking point."

Same to you! At the end of the day, we care about our Scouts and want to give them the best program possible. I know you do, because you won't spend spare time on a scouting forum. Regardless of whether you stay or go in the next few years, your service to youth stands out when fewer and fewer are willing to step up. Hopefully you'll find another worthy cause or ministry to give your talent to.

Fishing and Shooting outing Webelos woods open house trip Backpacking Cold weather/ILST training Christmas Party/Video Game lock in

Why do you think it's peripherial? We needed female ypt, female leaders, the girls would be on the lake, in merit badges or at the range with the boys. Separate bathrooms and sleeping accommodations had to be arranged. I don't expect summer camp or camporees to change much besides the involvement of more females. If the BSA mandates changes to the requirements, or requires co-ed troops, sure. Will the influx of untrained leaders cause changes? Maybe, not in my Troop. Not yet. Will the membership losses accelerate? Maybe. Probably. Has the BSA been slowly circling the drain fo

Sure. Our local camps have had co-ed staff for years, female venturers as participants, and foreign visiting Scout troops that were also co-ed. It's been that way almost the entire time I've been in Boy Scouting (2005). So I'm not in on the sky is falling. Maybe I just don't know what I missed previously. Maybe I'm too shortsighted because my Troop has been on a steady upward swing since 2011. I'm less concerned about the attendance of girls at camp. I'm more concerned about shortsighted program changes National might make that will continue to kill the patrol method. I don't think

I agree to a point. If your troop is Mormon (forgive me, I forget everyones's affiliations here.) My troop is still a space for boys. It's not changing just because girls are allowed in separate troops in 2019. We have no interested girls and will not be starting a girls troop. It's BAU for us.

Makes no sense. Which unit is logging and tracking parents at 72 hours in various events? One trip as the rule seems to clearly state makes more sense.

I'm sure when National forced Hillcourt off the reservation they had some sort of similar pejorative for folks who weren't happy with the change. I'm somebody who's been moderately ok with the change National made. But I'm not how they've treated long time scouters, nor how they communicated on the issue. I think it was a huge lost opportunity for National to build trust.

I tell my parents the same thing.

I've seen this too. And I strive as someone who has been to WB and is a trainer, to not patronize the folks I train, and to include their experience in the training. Most of my training are more of a group conversation and hands on skills vs a lecture, but I've sat in alot of training that is not that way.

I understand. Much depends on the Scout and what his reasons are for not telling his parents.

The DE/SE is going to conduct a social work child protection investigation?

And what Scouting can be. We all know there are plenty of adult run, advancement mill, webelos 3 troops out there. As we also know, this forum is full of folks who run troops that as much as possible within BSA rules, run troops the way BP and GBB would expect us to. This is even more important as girls join, and the eventual changes this will cause.

In my district we do contact the references. We ask them to write a letter. We give them a reasonable amount of time to respond, and if they don't we move on and conduct the Eagle Board.

For what it's worth, every Catholic parish that I attend regularly don't use the possessive 's in the name. So I'm not sure the Catholics would disagree.

There's a lot of Christian Church's that would and will object to that.

Certainly some LDS Scouters and Scouts will continue, just not all of them.