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We were typing at the same time...since this is not his "first strike", that may change things. It begs the question, how did he advance to Life with a history of bad behavior?

I would have the conference and have a discussion with him. There is no "pass or fail" of a SM Conference...just sign off that there was one. But I would make it clear of what I was looking for before I signed his Eagle Application. It depends on his age, too...does he have time to show redemption before he turns 18?

The SM knew and approved. The Troop Committee did not and were blindsided by the information in the reference letter, which is how it came to light. Without that, I expect it would have been a routine EBOR.

So, any amount paid above Tier C is a charitable contribution? I'll just deduct that amount from my FOS donation. I've always heard it's better to offer an "Early Bird Discount" instead of a "Late Fee". One is a benefit, the other is a punishment.

I believe the above link tells you all you need to know. Crossroads of America Council Webelos camper program.

The committee members would have been none the wiser had it not been revealed in a Reference Letter submitted by his sister, praising him for being such a good Dad. Like I said, I think they were more upset at being "blindsided" by the SM who thought it wasn't worth mentioning.

Um, it was a church. This troop is sponsored by a United Methodist Church, so I think they are free to expect moral behavior from the youth in their program. They didn't condemn him to Hell...they just imposed their interpretation of "morally straight" expected of an Eagle Scout. Suffice it to say, that as the District Rep, I did not vote or offer an opinion. When it became clear that the Board would not approve, I called the District Advancement Chair for guidance.

In my Council, EBOR are convened by the Troop Committee, and a rep from the District Advancement committee serves as a member, and signs the Eagle App on behalf of the Council. We are there to ensure the EBOR is conducted properly and no inappropriate questions or "retesting" takes place. In the many I have served on, there have been no issues, except for the one time that it was disclosed that the candidate was a new father and "living in sin" with the baby mama. The Troop Committee was more upset that the SM had blindsided them ("I didn't think it was relevant"). The vote was not unanimous, so I had to recess the EBOR and the scout appealed to Council where it was rubber-stamped.

Good news, indeed! Sounds like the District Rep (a role I have served countless times) had a major discussion with the unit leaders and convinced them that an overturn on appeal was inevitable and they chose not to have the egg on their faces. How they make the paperwork fit is not important now. Congrats to the new Brother Eagle!

In my experience, an appeal is handled by convening an EBOR at the District level, chaired by the District Advancement Chairman. YES, I would appeal. I agree with the others above...if the project was not "up to snuff", then the time to correct it was when the proposal was approved, and when the completion was approved...at both the Unit and the District level. By the time the scout gets to the EBOR (at the unit level), there should be no question that the requirements were met, as evidenced by the appropriate signatures on the project workbook. The project gets discussed, certainly, but there is no "passing or failing" of the project at that point. The assumption SHOULD be that the other adults involved, who signed off on the project, knew what they were doing and looking at. That being said, perhaps the write-up could use some "beefing up" highlighting and emphasizing the PLANNING and LEADING involved, rather than the actual work. I don't agree that starting from scratch with a new project is necessary. And the age of the scout is irrelevant, unless he is bumping up against 18. Good luck.

In my Council, I am one of the few Scouters who is NOT a veteran. One of them is a former POW who served a tour of duty in the Hanoi Hilton with John McCain and received the Navy Cross. It was 10 years before I knew...seemed like a regular fella. Most vets I know are pretty low-key about it.

I'm with you on the "no drama"...especially the older I get. However...I would NOT sacrifice my integrity by approving an AOL for a mother who clearly did not follow the rules. "A Scout is Trustworthy" applies to adults too. I would print out an advancement sheet of her son's APPROVED accomplishments, hand it to her and wish them well. If she has issues with that, she can take it up with the District Advancement Committee.

If I were still doing Unit scouting, I think I would decide that this is just "too hard"...

My opinion: this WAS a sexual assault and YP issue. I would at least cover your own behind and make a mandatory report to your Scout Executive. Let him/her advise you as to your response. The fact that it was not a sanctioned Scout activity may or may not be relevant. At a minimum, I would remove the SPL from office permanently. The SE may remove his membership.

They took "A Scout is Friendly" to a whole new level. I was once the District Rep on an EBOR and as we were reading the letters of recommendation, one was from his sister who was heaping praise on her brother for being such a good father. The two were still "living in sin" under her parents' roof. Well, the Troop Committee members were livid, primarily because we were blindsided by the SM who thought it wasn't "relevant". It was not a unanimous vote. The scout appealed to Council, who rubber stamped it. The CO was a Methodist Church.

Definitely Webelos. Old, since there's no FDL. Perhaps a local council's Webelos Camp patch? What's the size?

I have been married going on 44 years. My wife once asked me "if something happens to me, would you find someone else?" My immediate response now would be "hell no!" She has some "liberal feminist" friends who behave worse than any of my horndog male buddies ever did but are staunchly in favor of hanging Kavanaugh out to dry. Why would I risk subjecting myself to that? Ladies, I'm afraid you've "screwed the pooch" this time...so take your pink hats and leave me alone.

Back in the day, we would have a standard "fee" for the weekend, say $5 for example. Collect the money up front a week before the campout. Take the cash with you to the store...that's all you have to work with. Sometimes the whole patrol would go shopping...and we learned how to comparison shop, budget our money, and not buy things we couldn't afford.

LOL..reminds me of the time when I was Cubmaster and a parent called to demand to know when meetings were going to start. I said, "as soon as you volunteer to become a Den Leader"...she got furious and demanded to speak to my "supervisor"...so I handed the phone to my wife.

I hear Ivory league is the way to go. The kids come out squeaky clean....maybe even SCOTUS material.

"Momma" shouldn't be doing any of it...these are BOY SCOUTS. (Just wanted to echo the other strong opinions above!)

Establishing a "club" with initiation "trials" is defined as "hazing" and is strictly prohibited (except for Order of the Arrow which is sanctioned by BSA and strictly monitored by adults). While I would have handled it differently, I will not second guess the adults who were there.

Historically, ALL of these aquatics patches (BSA Lifeguard, Aquatics Instructor, Mile Swim, Snorkeling, etc) go on the swim suit.

Unless it's changed, MBC are registered with the Council and do not need to be a member of a unit.