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@JasonG172, it was about not making a high adventure your 1st adventure. More specifically about folding a conditioning program into your troop's regular schedule over 18 months. Because of the small class size, I was able to help scouters rough out some short-term objectives.

That's the thing, the girls I want like the product we have. If they don't know that they'll like it, changing the name of the product doesn't help. Keep the name, add a tag line: "also for girls who like scouting." Sell, sell, sell.

Branding imbeciles! What do they think girls who will engage the program to it's fullest really want? {I'm sorry moderators, I am really doing my best to not cast aspersions, so if you can suggest a more scout-like synonym I will use it.}

Already done. My Arab speaking friends call it Dae'sh.

I blame the media outlets for slighting the WOSM for forestalling death over the past 28 years. (I'll grant that may view may be a hazard of my profession - and Mrs. Q's which now has her on to tertiary care of folks who balked at restrictive sexual ethics yet failed or never attempted prophylaxis. Short story: it ain't pretty.) I also blame the media outlets for burying the lead over the beer tent. The G2SS never took a stance on prophylaxis, but lots of scouters resented being read the riot act about alcohol and tobacco.

Mamma don't allow no hiking/camping independently with your mates 'round here .... The real reformation: NESA extends open invites to Summit and Quatermaster (dare I say even GS/Gold) awardees.

I definitely agree about the timing. I felt 2020 to be a more sensible roll-out year. That would let BSA to assign 10,000 scouts the challenge of interviewing scouts from around the world (including Saudi and Pakistan) and learning something about how things are done in different WOSM organizations. I think some of the rush did have to do with not wanting to look like hosts with something to learn from their guests.

Why not? 'fraid he'll get a better score than you?🏁

Where did you read that BSA does not approve? The BSA has sent scouts to seven WSJ's since this policy was implemented. (Thanks to @RememberSchiff for the quote gathered by snopes.) It's a policy BTW, hewn from the WHO playbook. I remember the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Reports from that time. Not fun watching the start of a pandemic. (Graphs that looked like tracking planes off an airport runway.) Nobody knew if or how death would be forestalled -- especially in many third world countries. A world of very poor and desperate people quickly warmed to the use of latex, and death rates began to level off.

Communications MB: requirement 1 d (one of four options) Easy answer: "When any number of youth want to talk to an adult and there is no second adult registered leader over age 21." requirement 4 "First, sir, if you are a registered adult, please hold. I need to find one other registered adult for this meeting to go forward." Or, "This interview will be monitored by a second adult of age 21 or older."

Well, it's only fear mongering to those who dread it (rightly or wrongly).😃 Otherwise, it's just hyperbole.

If my briefcase is any indication, all kinds of crap that I don't need. That's why I usually don't carry a backpack or purse. Walking to get what I need is good excersize.

So much for meeting with an MBC, even in a public library, even if one or both non-registered parent(s) stays with the scout.

Oh yeah, OP. Mr. Rowe's paradox ... Although BSA is doing none of that coed stuff: Isn't the argument against BSA4G entirely one of "safe spaces" for the boys?

Welcome to the forums. There are a few old pros here. it's fun watching you all compare notes.

All I know is there was a link to an article from quite a few years ago in the original thread, an I would like to reference it on my cousin Robbie's wall. But now I have to go fish.

What I'm not understanding ... will the new youth program occupy more than one night? E.g., will it be one night plus monthly (or more frequent) Friday-Saturday activities tailored to each sex?

IMHO, You should work with the SM on this. Maybe audio-record Jennson giving the answers to the questions. Is the SM improvising? Yes. Should he flex? Yes. Should you toss the baby out with the bathwater? Depends on the baby. BTW @Jenn, welcome to the forums!

@T2Eagle you need to balance utility against probability. The utility in this case is freedom from blunt force trauma. The probability is not just that of a boy falling from 25' if he is in a trained/controlled setting. But the probability that, not offering a controlled setting with safety instruction, the boy will put himself in situations where he is on a folding chair climbing up to nail his first story between two pines, then climbing up to the second story from the first, then the third story from there. No brain bucket, no harness, no formal stress test, no training regarding fasteners, no railings/ladders in the design ... the boy's dad caught him before the roof (at 30') was suspended! Aside from whatever percentage of boys who bore of scouts because they are as rambunctious as my relative. American boys are entering the work-force worldwide with no training. Not all employers are OSHA compliant. If a young man has no experience building safely at altitude, he'll have no sense that he should push back at an unscrupulous boss. BSA isn't making boys safer. It's passing them off on others who could care less.

No doubt BSA'll get a slice of LDS youth ... just not the whole pie.

Lot's of folks get WB as cub leaders or district committee chairs. They wont ever take IOLS unless they become an SM/ASM ... if then.

Not gonna lie. The casual use of discouraging words isn't just due to @gblotter's sensitivities. Sailing with my adult children has shown me that, although not nearly like a sailor, my choice of words could be better. We tease my daughter on the rare occasion she let's some "roughneck talk" slip. But, to most folks around, we seem like the epitome of discretion. As much as we are trying to re-shape our community, it is coloring us. The SM and I are often fighting such bigger battles that shoring up impertinent language sometimes feels like putting an adhesive bandage on an arterial bleed. And, our camp directors have helped us identify boys whose discourteous speech was heard on the trail. So, yes, in years past, signing off on a cuss going to Jambo would be the least of our concerns. The scout we sent last year was not in that category, but I have no doubt that a couple of scouts sent from the district were. I appreciate the cautionary tales from recent Jamborees/Camporees and hope they will make me a better contingent ASM. Fourteen months ... we can make 'em cleaner, braver, reverenter? Is there a published outline of what the young men's program for LDS is supposed to look like? I mean if it's gonna award achievement and character in some way like the BSA does, why worry about Eagle?

A Venturing crew is not a patrol. Not even close. Most days. But take note ... I've had 18-20 year olds come to me with a good plan that sometimes included younger siblings. I've helped them improve their plans, on one occasion tossing them my car keys. Scouting happens, with or without BSA.

Rephrase: groups of teens do these on their own ... without the guidance of an organization priding itself on training leaders and being prepared. Last week, I got a picture of a young relative atop his a "tree house" three stories tall -- built from found plywood. Sketchy did not begin to define it! If his former SM was willing and able to deliver on the promise of scouting, that could have been a safe, solid pioneering tower! Our nation's most ambitious kids are in harms way thanks to a litigious society.

One of our post-docs and a male friend of hers lead a GS/USA troop. But, I agree that some points in life require one to take a break. I did while I was halfway through college until Son #1 turned 6. However, my biggest regret was when during that "break time" an Italian young lady asked if we could start a scout troop in the town where she was studying. I could have at least asked around as at that point I was conversant with quite a few locals.