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Everything posted by JoeBob

  1. I fear that the DEI MB will make the situation worse. The racists will use DEI to reinforce their position: "Even the Boy Scouts are preaching the BLM propaganda!" The liberals will rejoice: "See! We were right. BSA admits to toxic masculinity! Nah, nah, nah nah-nah." Those in the middle trying to keep an open mind, which I hope includes most scouts, will keep their mouths shut; while their private thoughts gravitate towards the side with the most concrete examples. While the high-minded fantasies celebrate, the divide grows underneath .
  2. I say we make Cooking MB really mean something: "Catch, kill, clean, cook and eat a small animal native to your area." For diversity, you can require one fur-bearing animal and either a fish or reptile. Equity will allow the vegans to make acorn bread or cattail pancakes. Be sure to be inclusive of the condiments. Catsup makes anything taste good.
  3. I understand. I thought we were talking about the DE becoming a volunteer role in the future. A large national organization would want their new DEs to understand all the latest buzzwords and management conjectures theories. National also wants them broken and submissive to their chain of command. Hence college. A volunteer DE needs to be someone who can lead a team, inspire excellence, support struggling units, and takes ownership of their results. Does that sound like an NCO, a business owner, or a college grad?
  4. May I ask why? This would eliminate 1/3 of the ASMs that I've enjoyed working with. Most trades (carpenters, plumbers, welders, electricians, etc.) farmers and enlisted military don't have or need a BA/BS. Many of these individuals are self-employed, which allows them to schedule their time for volunteering. My 6 years of college were a lot of fun, but influenced about 1% of anything I did as a scouter.
  5. Do I trust the leadership of the local units? Absolutely. Their successors? Maybe. Their successors? The ways BSA has been trending, probably not. Hence the need for legal language to honor the intent of the donation. Do you trust Irving? I'd donate my mother-in-law to national, but nothing more.
  6. How much does and Airweight Smith and Wesson not weight?
  7. You need to be more specific. What hurtful/offensive language? If I hurt your feelings because I challenged your world view, you need to grow up. Hah! It will get better if we don't talk about it? The debate is over? I reject your basic premise and what's more, with that line of persuasion; so do the boys. By making this merit badge Eagle required, BSA is elevating 'Diversity' and 'Inclusion' to the level of the 12 Scout Law tenets. For 100 years, the Scout Law was inviolate to the troops. Now the political winds change and suddenly we're adding virtues? Maybe thos
  8. Nope. I believe in valuing individuals for themselves. I don't seek out individuals based on their group identity. "I need a black friend." "Why?" "Because he's black." Duh. "I need a girl friend." is a different topic... Attributing value to people because of their group identity is setting them up for failure.
  9. And furthermore... If you try to degrade the quality of comradeship of seven white boys on a patrol campout, because they have no blacks or females; you are lost. Would you try to argue that seven black sisters would improve their esprit de corps by adding a male cracker to their campfire?
  10. Nope. I have a very open mind. In fact, I invite you to convince me. I ask that you use simple words that an adolescent would understand. (We are talking about a Boy Scout merit badge, right?) Inherent truths such as Diversity and Inclusion should have no need for cerebral academic studies. Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful, et al. were easily explained in layman's terms without high minded government funded research papers. These new three ephemeral precepts should be easy, yes? Go for it. Before you dismiss me as an avowed racist chauvinist, know that I have served with / work with bla
  11. I can think of no better way to push away what remains of the old guard. Those of us who never bought into the concept that girls were required for the betterment of BOY scouts, are now being asked to support a hastily shammed up Eagle required merit badge that twists that knife. No one can prove that diversity and inclusion are strengths; they are buzzwords from the left. Now councils are supposed to be half female? Do the Girl Scouts' lawyers know that yet? Folks like me are changing our wills. Don't bother with an FOS request. A small bitter part of me hopes that the perv ban
  12. SO, when BSA exceeds the stated goal of 50% female membership, do they become FSA, Female Scouts of America? Girl Scouts is taken...
  13. Nah. When you have lived as long as I have and driven those miles, 10 mph over the limit equals years. InquisitiveScouter: "The facts (stubborn things) and statistics don't support you." Oh yeah? You quote me the official government website with a safety bias. I'll refer you to a religious website: "Seven out of ten motorists disobey the traffic speed limits. Further, less than 10 percent of highway sections had more than 50 percent compliance with the law! " So on 90% of the road at least half of the drivers are speeding. https://truediscipleship.com/speed-limits-people-comply/
  14. The stupid rules undermine the necessary rules. Once you get used to fudging: using a wheel barrow, picking up your nephew on the way to scouts, tossing water balloons, playing laser tag, and ringing the kettle bell; it's easier to let: chainsaws, one on one contact, alcohol, range safety violations, and political campaigning in uniform, leak into your program. For those who reflexively advocate obeying every rule; how many years have you wasted driving the speed limit while impeding the flow of traffic and being a general hazard on the highway?
  15. Use your common sense. And remember that the bureaucrats/lawyers who wrote the fine print don't have any common sense. "Help other people at all times", one of the very basic tenets of scouting, is a higher law than "don't ring the Salvation Army kettle bell in uniform". With the current PR situation, BSA should be grateful the the Salvation Army doesn't have a rule prohibiting Scouts from ringing the bell in uniform.
  16. @CynicalScouter, I think the High Horse you rode in on is ready to leave...
  17. If you're bothered by political discussion, why read the I&P threads? Masochism? I come here to get a feel for what reasonable people are thinking about current affairs. I don't think that every poster is 'reasonable', but I try to understand their thinking feelings. The pretzel logic and false comparisons used for justifying behavior that would have unquestionably landed one in prison 30 years ago are frightening. But maybe I should be afraid. I'll check back next week to see if I'm over-reacting.
  18. I have a friend who wants to give 2 parcels of land to the Boy Scouts. A 10 acre plot on the Oxxxxx River to be used as a put in / launch point for canoes. And a 100 acre plot 3 miles down river to be used as a primitive camp. The 100 acres is 60% in the flood plain, 40% high ground. Both plots back up to the Oxxxxx national forest. He has already spoken to a local council pro, who is not interested in the land if it is encumbered. My friend's father gave 50 acres to BSA many years ago, on the condition that it be used for Scouting or returned to the family. After many years of tryi
  19. "Black Lives Matter leader Hawk Newsome made terroristic threats against the United States on Wednesday. “If this country doesn’t give us what we want, then we will burn down the system and replace it,” the BLM leader declared. " I would find it difficult to loan this man my gas can. And if I didn't watch him carefully as he moved on down the street, I would be shirking my duty to my neighbors.
  20. ^ Disappointment Lake: our best campsite 3 years ago. ^ This is by far the best link for information on the BWCA: https://bwca.com/index.cfm Be sure to haunt the forums and trip reports for current info. I'd guess that your biggest challenge is going to be finding campsites large enough to accommodate your group. Or multiple campsites close enough to together. Remember to have backup sites in mind, in case your destination is occupied. If you use Snowbank Lake as your entry point, you could swing by the BSA facility on Moose Lake to get some bling. https:
  21. Get rid of 'Scoutmaster' ? I think you're pandering to an appetite that refuses to be sated. So what word are you going to use when a Scout 'masters' a skill? Oh; wait... Scouts are no longer asked to master Scout skills. BSA was ahead of the curve!
  22. " I have thought for some time now that the roots of racism in our country lie in the fundamental inability of white people to see black people as human in the same way they see themselves." No. The concept that my many black co-workers, a couple of black good friends, and my black GP might not be human has never entered my mind. (Oh, I forgot that my daughters boyfriend is from Liberia, so I guess that he is considered black; even though his English is crisper than my own.) But why should I waste my time protesting my racist label? I am a Caucasian who refuses to genuflect at the
  23. So, anybody bet that this is not what the new flag ceremonies will look like? https://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/nfl-kneel.jpg?w=1000
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