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  1. I wondered if "families will be the charter organization" but I did not expand on that thought. I think CO's will be replaced by hands-off sponsors who provide a meeting space and possibly storage. Our current CO actually does none of that, so what's the point? The days of a CO using scouting to provide their youth program are closing. My son's never-ending Confirmation process resembles scouting. In the last 20 years with 4 different CO's only one took interest and provided a meeting and storage space. That church is now considering forming their own youth group, as none of their youth are members of the troop. My $0.02 for more rambling,
  2. Where are we headed? Down a different path in a different way to a different destination? Will this mean the Aims of Scouting will change or just the Methods or neither? Will the Scout Oath and Law change? Here are my guesses, random thoughts. Initially this appeared to be a change in membership restrictions to recapture membership losses?, increase revenue?, to to help family?. to reflect American values?, tto be fair? I don't know, but I am all for taking ALL kids who want to be Scouts. As stated there are no plans to change the program and I suppose in the short term that is true. Seemingly there are other problems being addressed with new objectives: Increase Revenue - increase fees across the board. More pressure on Councils to merge and sell/rent properties. STEM was about coed scouting to get into public schools and obtain GRANTS. Public Schools is where the families, facilities, and money are. Will Corporate funding return? If so, it will be quid pro quo, i.e., product donations and corporate partnerships. Reduce Liabilities - Despite YP, new lawsuits of recent abuses continue. Despite training and GTSS, scout injuries and deaths continue. So spread the responsibility by bringing in parents (Family Scouting) and outsourcing outdoor leadership (hire professional guides, attend National camps) and create safe havens - low adventure, low risk activities. Regarding Scouting Methods: Ideals - will it shift from Scout to Family? Patrol Method - National has marginalized this method to the point of ignoring it. A Troop will be a group of Families, not Patrols. Kids will not join to get away from Mom And Dad; families will join to come together so kids can see Mom and Dad and Mom and Dad can see their kids. Patrols will be temporary groups for activities, maybe patrols will be a group of families? Family Method - replaces Patrol Method, reduces unit/CO/BSA liability as parents are present. Is it me or does the BSA appears to be teaching parenting? With this comes significant infrastructure improvements to accommodate families. FOS becomes Families of Scouting, just like the Boys' Life changed its name. Will families be the charter organization? I predict more religious groups will drop Scouts and form their own youth groups. Outdoor Programs - shorter outings to fit schedules, unless it is trek by licensed guides or at a National facility. Advancement - There is so much that needs fixing here and maybe more involved adults will be a positive force. Are standardized advancement tests coming? Adult Association - yes, but let's call it what it is - Adult Domination. Will Troop Committee become Conference of Families? Will there be any scout-run troops? Maybe this will force out volunteers with no children ? Personal Growth - will be more about Family time, respect, needs, and togetherness than Good Turn. I have had numerous over-scheduled families tell me they are tired of community service. I pay taxes which should cover that! I need my son to rake and mow our lawn, in fact bring the whole troop over to clear our yard paint our trim. Helping others includes family! To them, helping the community starts at helping families. Leadership Method - continues to be a huge selling point and revenue source. All talk though, like those Future ( whatever) of America conferences marketed to high school kids. Will a scout lead even a short walk to mess hall? Wait for two adults Terry. Uniform Method - this method was added in the mid 80's. I never saw the need as the uniform remains optional. Someone at National will figure out more money can be made by selling expensive tee-shirts/tops, caps, and neckers to families than Class A's and patches to scouts. I think the Scout program will focus on families coming together, dealing with teen issues (bullying, internet, drugs, now sex too??) and other family needs, and having fun. Whatever comes will be different, but how will the success be determined and in what time frame? Surely there must be a 5 year strategic plan complete with "pillars", "tiers", "stakeholders", "rubrics", ... Not all the changes I predict (and I could be totally wrong) are bad in my opinion. As I typed my thoughts, I was reminded in the HUGE change to Wood Badge some years back yet the name remained the same. At least that mistake was not repeated. My $0.01,
  3. Just a reminder for those of us whose invitation has yet to arrive ... https://nam.scouting.org/
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    What is the protocol?

    Where is the Scoutmaster (SM) in this? What troop leaders have spoken to you and your son? As already mentioned, calling the Troop Committee Chairman should also to on your action list.
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    Mike Rowe: Death of Boy Scouts?

    ...If the Boy Scouts want to attract a new generation of members, they’ll need to stand for something more than inclusion. Because being inclusive doesn’t make you relevant. If I were calling the shots, I’d take a stand against the safe space movement and everything it embodies. And I’d do it in the most public way possible. But of course, that might also require a level of risk completely inconsistent with current orthodoxy. As we all know, in 1974, a chipped tooth or a black eye didn’t lead to lawsuit, and today, I’m pretty sure a boxing ring and a trip to the shooting range would make a lot of parents…uncomfortable. But that’s exactly the point. In a world that values safety above everything else, discomfort is never welcome. Neither is risk. And yet, discomfort and risk are precisely why my time in Scouting was so valuable, and why Troop 16 was the polar opposite of a safe space. Anyway Sharon, that’s a very long way of saying that girls are not the enemy. The enemy is bad ideology, and the inability to effectively confront it. Do I favor co-ed Scouting? Hell no. I can’t think of a single good reason to put girls and boys in the same troop, the same tent, the same boxing ring, or the same game of British Bulldog. But I can think of many good reasons to include them in a unified effort to confront the siren song of “safe spaces.” Someone has to challenge the insipid belief that safety is the most important part of living. Someone has to challenge the idea that feelings trump achievement. Someone has to challenge the idea that “crying closets” on campuses designed to console stressed out students who just can’t handle their finals exams, (or the outcome of a presidential election,) will produce a responsible, productive adult. ... I recommend reading the whole article complete with colorful language. http://mikerowe.com/2018/05/otw-death-of-the-boy-scouts/
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    What is the protocol?

    welcome to scouter.com
  7. FYI, the Trumbull County, OH coroner, Dr. Thomas James from Ohio is in attendance at National Annual Meeting. As I understand, he was previously Council President of the Greater Western Reserve Council which died in 2017. Unknown is his current Council and position. So far, his services have not been needed, the BSA still lives. http://www.tribtoday.com/news/local-news/2018/05/dems-keep-dr-james-as-coroner/ http://www.tribtoday.com/news/local-news/2017/01/boy-scout-councils-merge/
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    And yet more changes - even Pedro is not spared

    IMHO, the donkey gets replaced with a pony.
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    National Annual Meeting 2018 - May 23-25, Dallas

    Funny how back in the day I learned that from family and school. I thought this was about giving Scouting to girls? ...or families?
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    Condom Distribution at World Jamboree

    I wonder if the Olympics analogy extends to being a money loser for the host(s)? Boston was the USOC preferred site for the 2024 Summer Olympics. The International Olympic Committee requirements for facilities, infrastructure (We can't get the MBTA to run), security, etc. would have required Massachusetts taxpayers to fork over millions. Recall Romney got federal money for Utah Winter Olympics, going back to that well was not happening after the Big Dig cost overruns.In the end, the taxpayers said No Thanks. How much revenue will go to hosts, BSA, and Summit and will that revenue cover our costs? My $0.02,
  11. Update May 24, 2018: Final arguments in the multiyear dispute over ownership of the Camp Richard Scout camp wrapped up in Barnstable Superior court Tuesday, with a decision on who owns the island property expected to be handed down by the end of June, when the presiding judge is set to retire. The debate stems from the Cape & Islands Council of the Boy Scouts of America’s agreement four years ago to sell a portion of the property to Hingham-based Atlantic Development for $5 million, and efforts by local scouting groups – backed by the Nantucket Civic League (former owner of the property) and the Nantucket Land Council – to bar thesale. Last year, Superior Court Judge Gary Nickerson ruled that Camp Richard should forever remain a “campsite for the scouts of Nantucket,” and must be transferred back to the Civic League if used for any other purpose. He also determined – without any evidentiary hearings – that ownership of the property was to remain in a trust controlled by the off-island council, in part because it was affiliated with the national Boy Scouts of America and the Camp Richard Campers Association, the local organization, was not. http://www.ack.net/news/20180524/ownership-decision-of-camp-richard-due-end-of-june
  12. Many New England scout troops schedule a Nantucket bike trip, for some it is an annual trip. Take the ferry, rent or take bikes, bike around island, go to the beach, and thriftily tent at Camp Richard, a 100 acre scout camp gifted to the island Boy Scouts in the early 1970s by the Nantucket Civic League "Cape Cod & Islands Council received a $3.5 million offer from Atlantic Development to purchase 30 acres within Camp Richard, according to Bob Graves, the president of the Nantucket District Committee of the Boy Scouts of America." Local scout leaders (Nantucket District Committee) are attempting to block to sale by transferring deed ownership to Camp Richard Campers Association Barnstable Superior Court judge Gary Nickerson is hearing the lawsuit filed by Council against scout leaders trying to block the sale of part of Camp Richards. In Mass, deed restrictions expire in 30 years unless reinstated. "The deed transfer from the Nantucket District Committee to the Camp Richard Campers Association sought to reinstate the restriction." http://www.ack.net/JudgedeniesLandCo...ment081313.htm
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    National Annual Meeting 2018 - May 23-25, Dallas

    Where is National's PR department? Hardly any press releases.
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    If men carry purses, what would be in yours

    I prefer to call it my Jack Bauer bag.
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    Condom Distribution at World Jamboree

    As odd as it might sound, anyone can buy condoms in West Virginia. "Condoms are not a drug, just a physical health product just like Band-Aids and cotton balls so they are not regulated like the pill or other birth control that changes your body chemistry. " http://www.tobuycondoms.com/west-virginia/
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    National, Religion, Membership, Oath and Law

    Locked by request of OP. @NJCubScouter , @John-in-KC
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    Condom Distribution at World Jamboree

    Ok then. The juvenil behavior has gotten tiresome. @NJCubScouter @John-in-KC
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    Condom Distribution at World Jamboree

    Please stay on topic, thanks @NJCubScouter @John-in-KC
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    Condom Distribution at World Jamboree

    Keep it professional and respectful. @NJCubScouter @John-in-KC
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    National Annual Meeting 2018 - May 23-25, Dallas

    National Commissioner Service Chair Ellie Morrison?
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    Be prepared - confused...

    A response to above link. Note in this response, Vice Chairperson of the World Scout Committee Andy Chapman is American. What remains unanswered is how the hosts Scouts Canada, the Scout Association of Mexico, and the Boy Scouts of America will implement the requirements. Will it be by hosts, nations, units,...? How will parents be notified (this was news to me!)? https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/boy-scouts-condoms-jamboree/ And a link to WOSM Guidelines for Hosting World Jamborees Original topic is still under moderator review. Please keep discussion professional and respectful. Thank you.
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    Mike Rowe: Death of Boy Scouts?

    Let's get back in the USA and with more thoughtful, relevant responses to Mike Rowe's comments. The enemy is bad (BSA) ideology, and the inability to effectively confront it. Do I favor co-ed Scouting? Hell no. I can’t think of a single good reason to put girls and boys in the same troop, the same tent, the same boxing ring, or the same game of British Bulldog. But I can think of many good reasons to include them in a unified effort to confront the siren song of “safe spaces.” Someone has to challenge the insipid belief that safety is the most important part of living. Someone has to challenge the idea that feelings trump achievement. Someone has to challenge the idea that “crying closets” on campuses designed to console stressed out students who just can’t handle their finals exams, (or the outcome of a presidential election,) will produce a responsible, productive adult.
  23. “After a careful review of the program and its contents, including its mission statement, curriculum, pedagogical structure, letters of Ecclesiastical approval, and statement of mission that faithfully reflects and adheres to the Magisterium of the Catholic Church, the Troops of Saint George is hereby approved as a Catholic Apostolate of the Diocese of Fort Worth,” the Most Reverend Michael F. Olsen, Bishop of the Diocese of Fort Worth, Texas wrote in a letter, dated May 16, 2018. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/deaconsbench/2018/05/bishop-approves-alternative-to-boy-scouts-as-a-catholic-apostolate/ Looking at the Diocese website, the Bishop's decision does not appear to remove Boy Scouts as an endorsed youth program. Trail Life is not mentioned. Also there appears to be only one Troop of St. George in the Fort Worth Diocese. https://fwdioc.org/scouting Troops of St. George
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    Be prepared locked

    I hid the locked topic.
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