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  1. I’m personally not a fan of internal packs for new Scouts because they haven’t got enough experience with backpacking style camping to pack an internal frame pack. Just about any old sleeping bag can be strapped to an external frame pack. Just about the time they learn how to pack, they are ready for a bigger pack. Barry
  2. I'm with qwazse, scouts change a lot in the next three years, so until he can get enough experience to figure out what he wants, I wouldn't get in a hurry. Backpacks are even worse, they grow out of those things so fast. Our scouts started selling their pack (cheap) to newer scouts so they could go up to the next step, which is typically an internal frame packs. New scouts do better with externals. Unless you have the funds and just enjoy getting that kind of stuff. And hey, I understand. Mrs Barry (and CPA) is telling me one of the motorcycles has got to go. I'm not sure why. Barry
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    Qualities of an Eagle

    Wow, I've not heard my scouting experience put in the context of a half century. I gotta think about that, lots of mix emotions.
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    Qualities of an Eagle

    We'll just have to agree to disagree. I'm looking at this in the big picture (Nationally). Family Scouting is not only rapidly accelerating the decline of Patrol Method, it will be the dagger of it's finality. I can honestly say I didn't see it coming two years ago. Barry
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    Qualities of an Eagle

    You win, I give up. It's not the boys club anymore, it belongs to mom, dad and little sister. Patrol method is dead, outdoor social engineering is in. I know how long you have been in scouting WM because you have taken several of my posts out of context over the years. We need to start a discussion on new uniform styles. National needs to change the uniform away from Boy Scouts of America uniform to define a clear difference between the two programs. Barry
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    Qualities of an Eagle

    Welcome to family Scouting. Barry
  7. Hmm, the BSA was caught in a scandal something like this 20 years ago with the Learning for Life program. The inflated numbers were significant, but I don't remember how much. I seemed to remember they got sued. Barry
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    New girls in Scouting

    Is that a camels nose I just tripped over? Barry
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    Online Grocery Orders

    You guys have given me an idea of how to lighten my pack another 7 lbs. Thanks Barry
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    Starting a new troop: Budget items

    Our experience is the scouts after a year had a totally different view of what they really needed for camping than what the adults felt was required for the first camp out. If I were to do it again, I would start with equipment only needed for backpacking. That is where our troop ended up four years later anyway. We had several really nice well designed patrol camp boxes laying around that nobody except the adults used. Scouts hated them, so we ended up lending them to new troops. Barry
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    2018 GUIDE TO SAFE SCOUTING

    Probably not, but it depends on the adults. I remember my Webelos watching the scouts during a troop visit lash a flag pole together. It became pretty obvious the scouts didn't know their lashings. They struggled for about 15 minutes before the ASM jumped in and cussed them out, using some pretty rough language. The troop was taken off our top two list. The discussions can become pretty extreme on this forum and I can see the difficulty of new leader molding their reality into the idealistic world being described on the forum. No adults doesn't necessarily mean NO adults. But, putting scouts in an environment where they feel free to express themselves (and fail) without adult intervention is challenging. We call that a safe place. This forum likes to use the 100 yard separation rule between patrols and adults, to describe the idealistic independence intended for patrols. But it's not really so much about about the physical separation that is important as it is providing the atmosphere of independence for scouts to feel a sense of free thought. In truth, Patrol method is messy even in the best boy run programs and the chaos challenges the adults' patience. Patrol Method is more about adult reactions to scouts' decisions than the actual scouts' decisions. End of the world, no of course not. But two adults standing nearby stomping their feet to stay warm can be a lot more challenging. A Little side story on our Safe Place philosophy; because of low impact rules, camp sites for high adventure patrols are sometimes so small that tents are set up next to each other. As a result, we made a rule that what is said in the tent stays in the tent. However, after a few nights of young male adults telling stories with a language that would make a sailor blush (not the Marines of course), I once mentioned during breakfast that while we have the rule of what is said in a tent stays in a tent, parents (I used parents for more impact) are literally just on the other side of the wall of their tent. That helped a little, but not as much as you would think. Barry
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    New girls in Scouting

    Well, I'm not sure what we are disagreeing about. You set a trap to hold me accountable to my opinion. But it was an impossible trap because I was presenting acquired knowledge, not some quick argumentative theory. Acquired knowledge is very powerful and hard to counter without comparative knowledge. And maybe I have an unfair advantage, my profession involves acquiring experimental data for public safety. So, I know the difference. I've said before, I learned early in life that one has to balance education with life experiences to value both education and life experiences. How does one model moral principles without proving those principles in the experiences of real life? I guided our scouts in the same lesson application simply by pushing them into outdoor adventures while balancing their decisions with the Scout Law and Oath. Sounds simplistic, I know. But life is a mirror that exposes our true nature of character (or lack of it). Once we see who we are, and we learn who we want to be, we have a simple guideline to change. The character habits the scouts developed from those experiences are very real. Barry
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    New girls in Scouting

    I gave a clear answer. Life’s collection of knowledge is data, no matter how it was collected. You can take it or leave it of course just like all the experience data that posters provide on this forum. If not, then what would be the point of requesting information from experienced members on subjects like, Starting a new troop: budget items. Collected experience data isnt always noted, recorded, and stored away because who would expect some shortridge down the road of life challenging that knowledge to sway opinion against our integrity. After all, if a person has the knowledge gained from the experience of starting a new troop, why would that person expect that data to be challenged? Is it so really so hard to believe girls are different from boys? Barry
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    Starting a new troop: Budget items

    Call the DE or Committee Commissioner, explain the situation and ask if they know of a troop that can loan a couple of tents, stoves and cooking equipment. There may even be a Chartering Organization with a defunct troop looking to move their equipment. Barry
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    New girls in Scouting

    Sure. A family therapist visited our school system in 1992. Really good stuff. Barry
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    New girls in Scouting

    Don’t be silly. Who saves articles, publications, records lectures and videos over the years just to save proofs for shortridges 30 or 40 years in the future? Then there are life experiences of our children, after school group activities, church youth groups, youth sports, and so on. I of course don’t expect everyone to except my opinions and experiences, but I’m still expressing them. This is a forum. Barry
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    New girls in Scouting

    Lol, you must be a lawyer. As an engineer, I don’t see this as positive and negative, I see it as information to chart a course torward a goal. Or not. If the information proves the goal impossible, then either the goal must be changed or abandoned. If an adult is called a Boy Scout today because of his behavior, whether or not he was ever near a scout program, are they commenting on his camping skills or his social actions? Will being called a scout 20 years from now be a complement? What are your goals for the program? Barry
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    New girls in Scouting

    Nope, it’s not a new revelation. Data was acquired over years of life. Barry
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    New girls in Scouting

    Lol, all data is generalized and is usually the motivation (or not) for new concepts and changes. Generalized data is the difference between success and failure. Most Fortune 500 companies don’t make a move without the support of generalized data. Barry
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    New girls in Scouting

    The instinctive nature of prepubescent boys is big picture dreamers. Patrol method forces them to practice working details. The instinctive nature of prepubescent girls is details and micro organization. Organization part of Patrol method is easy for them. Add to that, girls will bring in more adults without a patrol method experience. Patrol method is a dying art. History supports my theory. Webelos III is inevitable, but the girls will have fun. Barry
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    New girls in Scouting

    Explorers and Crews are different because of puberty. The advantage of patrol method for boys growth is gone after age 14. My point is adults will make the program work to their desire no matter what the scouts get out of it. Those adults have been around for almost 100 years.
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    New girls in Scouting

    😂 Of course it will work. The two largest troops in our district are also the least boy run and most advancement driven adult run troops. Where there is an adult will, there is an adult way. Barry
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    YPT

    I don't know if this is true, but back when this training was ramping up 20 or so years ago, some posters on this and other forums wondered if the training material was as much a deterrent as it was training. In other words, it is meant to scare off predators considering the BSA as a source. Back then we only had to take the course every 2 or 3 years. Barry
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    YPT

    Which goes to my response to Rememberschiff's parents' complaints about National requiring registration to get more money. If a parent wants to donate an hour but doesn't want to join as a leader, dropping the fee might make that decision a little easier. Barry
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    YPT

    Don't know. If my memory serves me, National started requiring counselor registration in the mid 90s sometime. It wasn't a big deal because a fee wasn't required. Up until then, they general reasoning was MB counselors were not involved with scouting, but experts in the subject of the MB. Sources for counselors has changed a lot in the last 30 years. Barry
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