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  2. Welcome to the forum, @Eloisefig. That's certainly no fun. It sounds like you've already made up your mind and I can't blame you. Good luck. But I'm not sure how much better luck you're going to have elsewhere. It seems to me that every troop I know of is struggling. Anyway, I few observations: In your meeting with the SPL and ASPL you dumped a whole lot of new ideas on them that they likely don't understand if they've never seen it before. Babies don't take smaller steps then older children, they stumble around and crash a lot. Sometimes they need to be caught before they crack the
  3. I would have liked to have ordered her thesis, but she only takes Swish as payment and you can't open a Swish account with a foreign address. Do you remember how it was contentious?
  4. Understatement … Scouterna’s site used to be packed with a lot more details on its front page. It seems like a marketing agency got a hold of it and fell for Western “don’t let words get in the way of great pictures” style. From the original site, I learned that integration was contentious, and the king was instrumental in getting all parties on board. It made me feel proud to have launched a catapult for Carl Gustav when he visited the pioneering area at National Jamboree.
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  6. BSA Settlement Trust Financials Thru 12/31/23 https://scoutingsettlementtrust.my.salesforce.com/sfc/p/#Dp0000016pkB/a/Uu000000e6l4/QDFa7uyndHmsnfZMMFiAnt0qCKrBIPkLSXKIzLDxTgU
  7. He was blocked re-registering in the 1970s and 1980s. The 1968 letter had the SE say they could not ignore the accusations and said it was Brock's actions that led to the result. For 1968, this seems like it was handled well ... for 1968 ... before computers ... before modern laws. This sounds like BSA's files worked well. The one thing that surprised me is no police report. So so so many of the files do have police reports. I bet there was not a 1968 chargeable crime. The 1960s were a long time ago and so much has change. A lot has changed.
  8. This is not a factual statement. Part of the files were released to the public October 18th, 2012, and only after a court order. Even what was released covered only 20 years 1965 to 1985. Even today there are files that have not been released. Boy Scout 'perversion files' offer disturbing portrait of suspected abusers, handling of their cases - oregonlive.com "Many records show Scouting officials referring to sexual abuse in the vaguest terms -- describing it as "improper and indiscreet conduct with boys" or "abnormal conduct with boys."" This is part of the path of release and
  9. Repetitive ad infinitem; the problem was not "unique" to scouting. It was a common issue of society then, as well as, sadly today. It is something somehow dark in some people and part of that darker human nature, if you will. But, again, the date on this article shows that the file was public very early on, so it was not hidden. Horse is dead as far as that part goes.
  10. That's not a universal view. Many consider it proof that scouting's unique problem with men preying on boys was already so well known and documented after only 25 years that it was publicly acknowledged by no less than the son of a President on a national stage. The article is proof of how early the problem was known, how long it was allowed to fester, and how little BSA effectively did about it over the ensuing decades. I've seen this article cited multiple times throughout the bankruptcy process as proof BSA has known it had a unique problem for almost its entire history.
  11. Have been a den leader and a cubmaster. Woodbadge trained. My son joined a troop, and has been in it ~2yrs. It's supervised neglect in my opinion. There is no ILST, PLC meetings are few an far between, with no guidance, agenda, etc. It's like lord of the flies. I offered to help. Scoutmaster(new to the position last year), said sure, and we talked about ideas, baby steps, while still allowing the scout led process. Had a 1.5hr sit down with SPL and ASLP(2 deep leadership of course- myself and SPL dad/leader), to go over how to structure PLC, things they can do, how to structure meetings, h
  12. At that time that was probably as good as any other youth programs were or could do. Of course it is and will always be less than perfect.
  13. That is a far cry from saying we have files on men who have committed perverted sex acts upon young boys while engaging in the business of the Boy Scouts of America.
  14. Simply proof that the IV files were known early on, and that they were not covering them up. The bankruptcy and lawsuits are interrelated. Not news of course.
  15. And as far as BSA Bankruptcy and where the bankruptcy plan what is the relevance?
  16. I have to work on finding this complete article, as I refuse to subscribe to get past the barrier. I have two search sites to go to, so maybe will find it. Meanwhile, I thought it was interesting to note. Take a look and share if you find detail before I do. SUBSCRIBE FOR $1/WEEK Account
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  18. One of the simplest ways it was described to me as a uniformed adult leader: The scouts should know that you participate in elections. They shouldn't know who you are voting for.
  19. The school board found a way to get kids to read books ... announce that they are banned. I would think BSA would be fine accepting controversial Eagle Scout projects. One of our youth did a project for an organization that provides housing for primarily LGBTQ youth who were abused at home. That said, there was a clear benefactor and and the project wasn't directed against any political group. So, I could see a way for a project like this could work in the BSA, but not in the manner it was conducted as a Gold project.
  20. Very quick read. Very interesting book. A bit of nudity (but maybe a page or 2), but by no means the focus. If I could remember it to give it a synopsis would be almost how someone loosing grip with reality. Just interesting. It also covered how bad the bombing of Dresden was in WWII.
  21. 4/26/24 Rally 4 Robby Trivia Night – an event to benefit the purchase of a special track-style wheelchair to help a local Boy Scout, Robby Fisher, access his backyard and basement, as well as make it easier to participate in Boy Scout activities and camps with his Special Needs Boy Scout Troop 724... According to a SpotFund set up for Fisher, the Boy Scout camp he attends has an accessible campsite, but the rest of the camp is not accessible. In his second year of attending the camp, he was able to use a ‘Trackchair’ that allowed him more freedom to earn merit badges and even go fishing
  22. I don't see the BSA ever having to deal with this problem because there doesn't seem to be a benefactor that could sign off on such a project. Nobody in the school district. It's great that this scout wants to unban books, but it's not a service project that helps specific people. Something about working with others to solve a problem rather than just working on it alone sounds better to me. And yet it does make me want to read Slaughterhouse Five. I don't know how I missed that one. I went and found a synopsis and think it would be a great read.
  23. I read widely. Not a "student". Baha Ullah? George Fox? Gandhi? Jacob Hutter? Stanwood Cobb?
  24. “Organizations like [the Scouts] are symbiotic in that the Scouts benefit from accomplishing their requirements, and the community benefits from the fruits of the Scouts fulfilling their goals,” said U.S. Army Lt. Col. Reuben Doornink. “Scouting has been a big part of my life through the years and being an Eagle Scout can help form near- immediate bonds. Scouting is similar to the military in that I know if my family needed something, I could put it in a chat group and have 10 people at my door,” said Doornink. “One thing that being a Scout taught me is, ‘Keep working on the task regardle
  25. Girl Scout and member of Board of Supervisors exchange. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYicUpJAth8
  26. Total sidebar: I noticed the manner of mentioning Rinpoche, @SSScout - were you his student?
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    • Welcome to the forum, @Eloisefig. That's certainly no fun. It sounds like you've already made up your mind and I can't blame you. Good luck. But I'm not sure how much better luck you're going to have elsewhere. It seems to me that every troop I know of is struggling.  Anyway, I few observations: In your meeting with the SPL and ASPL you dumped a whole lot of new ideas on them that they likely don't understand if they've never seen it before. Babies don't take smaller steps then older children, they stumble around and crash a lot. Sometimes they need to be caught before they crack their head. Keep that in mind. Hint: "baby steps" are smaller than you might think and you need to help them learn. Next, you can't get PLs to show up. What's their incentive? I hate to say this but you expecting them to show up won't work. A bigger issue, and the reason I just left my troop, might be that there are no expectations about scouts that everyone in the troop understands. If you have a POR, you're expected to try and that means show up. If you're an older scout then you're expected to help out. Every scout in the troop is expected to go on a certain percentage of the campouts. Whatever, just decide and let everyone know. If the parents aren't in on this then you're out of luck. Next, everything is planned by adults. Of course it is. That's because nobody can agree on what the scouts own and what the adults own. The easiest thing for the adults is to just plan it. Next, SM isn't showing up. My guess is he's afraid of losing his job. Just a hunch, I've seen it a lot lately. Anyway, there may be a reason. Next, MB's aren't up to par. Pick your battles. That one is not nearly as important as the others. Scouts enjoy a good program, they really don't care for the MBs unless they're well done. If you can work the MBs into the program then great, otherwise that's just a bridge too far. If you can find a better run troop, that's fine. But what does your son think? If he has friends in the troop and you yank him out then you might win the battle and lose the war. Scouts that don't have friends in the troop when they're 14 just quit. Finally, a caveat to all I've written. There are different ways to run a troop. Different people have different ideas on how best to do it. Different people get different results. Some people are sure they know the right way. I'm not. That said, here are some other observations. YMMV Scouting is a drop in program when it should be a team (patrol) based program. If you don't show up someone else will deal with it. Besides, the only thing important is advancement and that's about as self serving as it gets. So, how to make the patrols more of a team and less a mob? Projects? Like 4H or robotics? Going on a hike or a campout just isn't enough anymore. Scouting has so many little moving parts that it's really hard to keep track.. Advancement, OA, PLCs, camporees, high adventure, MBs, roundtables, recruitment, popcorn, uniforms, safety training, some excellence program, Courts of honor, patches, pins, the guide to advancement, and on and on and on. Can you deal with all of this, by yourself, in an hour or so a week? Of course not. But that's where this program needs to go. Two or three adults should be able to run a troop of 30 to 40 scouts. There is only one aim of scouting - get better at living the scout law. There's always room for improvement. There's one place to do that - the outdoors. Everything else is a distraction.
    • I would have liked to have ordered her thesis, but she only takes Swish as payment and you can't open a Swish account with a foreign address. Do you remember how it was contentious?
    • Understatement … Scouterna’s site used to be packed with a lot more details on its front page. It seems like a marketing agency got a hold of it and fell for Western “don’t let words get in the way of great pictures” style. From the original site, I learned that integration was contentious, and the king was instrumental in getting all parties on board. It made me feel proud to have launched a catapult for Carl Gustav when he visited the pioneering area at National Jamboree.
    • BSA Settlement Trust Financials Thru 12/31/23 https://scoutingsettlementtrust.my.salesforce.com/sfc/p/#Dp0000016pkB/a/Uu000000e6l4/QDFa7uyndHmsnfZMMFiAnt0qCKrBIPkLSXKIzLDxTgU
    • He was blocked re-registering in the 1970s and 1980s.  The 1968 letter had the SE say they could not ignore the accusations and said it was Brock's actions that led to the result.  For 1968, this seems like it was handled well ... for 1968 ... before computers ... before modern laws.  This sounds like BSA's files worked well. The one thing that surprised me is no police report.  So so so many of the files do have police reports.  I bet there was not a 1968 chargeable crime.  The 1960s were a long time ago and so much has change.  A lot has changed.  
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