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  1. Shooting Sports guide. Page 100. https://filestore.scouting.org/filestore/Outdoor Program/pdf/30931_WB.pdf ... Must be bio-degradable and ping pong sized. Ok with catapult and sling-shot. Never aimed at a person. .... It can be argued that the rule applies to only shooting events. The specific rules are under catapults and sling shots. ... So, throwing a water balloon by hand is not subject to shooting sports rules. Then, look at Guide To Safe Scouting ... https://filestore.scouting.org/filestore/pdf/34416.pdf ... "Prohibited Activities ... 15. Activities where participants shoo
  2. I know zip-a-dee-doo-dah about the STEM program. Please suffer me one question and one thought. Once the latter is out there I will be at my quota for the day. 1. Is there anything offered in the schools or elsewhere that's attached to an outdoor and character building organization like Scouts? 2. For an entire segment of the population STEM and bookish things are what they do, at least in part. I raised 2 boys and 2 girls. One of each would do traditional Scouting, though they didn't for obvious reasons. The other two can and did "light" outdoor adventures but an all OUTING scenari
  3. Don't remind me. I know of a council that is doing a dodgeball tournament as a fundraiser. I almost asked if they knew Dodgeball has been banned by the BSA since 2018, but decided to stay out of it. However some volunteers are questioning why the council can have a Dodgeball tourney, but the units cannot.
  4. Hey Skeptic - I can't argue with what you're saying. Scouting grew up when folks made it up as they went along - based on the principles of Scouting, and it grew phenomenally. Your story is just one of many. It's sad that unit leaders have to play dodgeball with the rulebook now. I'm just going to keep on working with our Troop and a few friends in other Troops, and looking for resources to support the work. And hey Eagle 94-1A - saw another one of your posts about how your Scouts and Troop are doing - keep it up, man! The answers won't be found in the professional ranks - there are Tro
  5. This is pretty much how we run our program. No advancement focused outings (though we do things on outings that shockingly can be used), and time for unstructured activities. At summer camp we have them do the MB classed in the morning, after lunch, go have fun. Every summer we have to talk some parents down off the ledge that summer camp fun is measured by completed merit badges. That's not how this works (or shoudn't) Typically some activity in the morning, like hike a gorge, kayak, wide game, etc. Afternoon are options to continue, nap., go beat on stuff with sticks. Non
  6. There has always been an attitude that council and national office employees and boards are just idiots. Those employees don’t know the real world and we are not following their rules. It doesn’t matter if it is dodgeball, squirt guns, separate sleeping tents, bee keeping, swimming, or youth protection....there is always a group that will break the rules and do their own thing. More Youth will be molested in BSA.
  7. Well. In some places. But in the wastelands of some districts, beyond the borders, where DE's and Commissioners fear to tread, the art of dodgeball is still practiced
  8. Just remember, Lawn Darts have to follow BSA'S Shooting Sports rules, and Dodgeball is now banned.
  9. I cast my non-POA, non-master, non-e ballot for a mano a mano Tanc v Kosnoff face-off. I’ll buy the live streaming rights, take wagers and we’ll make bank. Venue and form of combat TBD. Stay tuned... By the way, “combat” is used broadly. It includes such things as checkers, one on one dodgeball, reflector oven baking, knots, impersonations, lawn darts, and etc.
  10. How did we ever get to be adults? Jungle gyms in elementary school , 8 feet high, made of steel galvanized plumbing pipe, held together with bare u-bolts , sharp corners on those bolts. Kickball, softball, MAYBE a catcher's mask. MAYBE a glove. We had a Cub Scout softball league.... I played left field and first base. Asphalt playgrounds, potholes and all. Slide into THAT, dodgeball on a set circle ring, red bouncy ball ("no, Richard, NOT the soccer ball...."). Asphalt under the swing set . JUMP out of the swing, which had ahard, wood seat. Extra momentum when you tr
  11. Games like viruses evolve variants. Back in the day, the "Buck Buck" we played (in South Jersey) had Team One form a chain of interlocked bent over players (bucks). First bent over with arms around a tree and second player's head locked between legs. Second player had third player's head locked between his legs and so on. Team Two formed a line of standing bucks. The first would run "Buck-Buck #1" and leap on the backs of the Team TWO and try to hold on. Buck-Buck #2 followed and so on. The goal was to break Team One chain by bringing it down. Selecting players based on their st
  12. Dodgeball? Pfftt. Here are Scouts playing Mumbly Peg. Now that can get you hurt.
  13. Broke and dislocated my little finger in elementary school. We were playing dodgeball with a red schoolyard ball. Went to my Cub Scout meeting after school and the Den mother was horrified by my finger sticking out sideways from my hand. When my mother picked me up I told her I just needed to soak it and it would be OK. I got a one night stay in the hospital and a big cast in Wiesbaden Germany.
  14. People who say dodgeball isn't dangerous, never played with rubber kickballs, when in 5th grade, against Jerry Planack (the biggest kid in grade school and high school). He would have a ball, get up to the line when you were stooping down to get a ball, and whale that ball into your ear or nose. Man, it hurt.
  15. We still play dodgeball, the PLC meets by themselves and patrols have meetings outside of the troop meetings. We also play laser tag a for our Christmas meeting.
  16. The frustrating part of G2SS for me is that it remains inconsistent with well known risks in other parts of the program. I work in an industry that has many, highly regulated, safety risks. Just because something is risky doesn't mean you never do it, it means you teach awareness of the risks and how to minimize them. That is a far better life lesson to kids than cutting activities and sitting around and playing computer games all day (which has it's own physical and mental health risks). Yes, they are teenagers and a lot of it doesn't stick the first few times you tell them, but you keep the
  17. Yeah, that is a bit odd. Though there are no gaga pits at the schools in my area (at least town) and the one at the scout camp we went to was removed. However, they appear to be more common than schools playing dodgeball. I'm not sure why gaga is considered safer than dodgeball.
  18. First, I do thank @RichardB for commenting on this forum. Most from National wouldn’t and it’s great that he participates. Also, I do think the last version of G2SS made some updates that helped, specifically regarding use of tools. Perhaps there are some specific areas that we think could be relooked at. I get the complaints about patrol only activities with no adults. Perhaps there could be flexibility there. I’m not sure it is possible in today’s world of liability but perhaps. I cannot think of many clubs in high school that meet without adults present … I know dodge
  19. @RichardB I know better than to not follow the rules. So I do my best to keep up with BSA policies to the point that I have often had to tell my council's professional staff what is and is not allowed by BSA as they are not aware of the latest rules. My biggest problem is that BSA continues to break the first point of the Scout Law, Trustworthy, with the repeated lie in the FAQ found here https://www.scouting.org/health-and-safety/prohibited-activities-faqs/ , that "Dodgeball has never been an authorized activity in Scouting." As I have shared with you and others repeatedly THA
  20. As others have mentioned, the G2SS is constantly being updated, to the point that even the professionals cannot keep up with all the changes (kinda sad when I have to tell the SE something is no longer allowed in the GTSS) Prior to 2012, patrols could camp on their own without adults. UP to 2018, patrols could do day activities: meetings, hikes, grocery shopping, etc, on their own without adults. So back in our day, what happened with your troop, your older Scouts taking over without adults, was perfectly acceptable. While @RichardB is a product of the program and should know
  21. We continue with dodgeball (or extreme catch) and vegetable cannons. But we're sort of rogue sometimes
  22. Yes, BSA is LYING about Dodgeball. The Ban went into effect in 2018, and even after the Dodgeball ban, you could still find Dodgeball and several variants on scouting.org website as recommended games.
  23. Just a heads up, and I don't want to get into the 437th debate about whether this was a good/bad decision on the part of BSA, but BSA banned dodgeball a few years ago. BSA now claims that they ALWAYS banned dodgeball, and yet there is a ton of evidence to the contrary from BSA's own documents and a subject debated in this forum since 2003. https://www.scouter.com/search/?q=dodgeball&updated_after=any&sortby=newest
  24. OK, I am a new assistant scoutmaster, and we have two other new assistant scoutmasters. In addtion, the kids in our troop trend younger. We do not have a strong command of scout skills. However, the bright side is that the kids are having fun at the meetings. At our last one, scouts made an activity to play dodgeball and when you're out, you have to answer a question about hiking / outdoor safety to get back in. This was a good idea and they had lots of fun but they did not have a ton of questions prepared. But it was a good effort. At our recent Zombie outing, the kids fi
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