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When I sit at the Troop reviews, I always suggest they type just because as prep for later life when typed will be required and it just comes across as more prepared and professional. But, nope, not required. I just had a kid whose family didn't have a working computer so...(I did offer him one of the old ones lying about my house) and the Eagle Workbook PDF is one of the worst fillable documents I have ever worked with (when I was helping my own son do his) so I wouldn't blame any one who said "forget this, I am going to hand write"

As an ASM and/or Advancement Chair I always advised camp is to be fun and outside. The only Eagle Reqd I suggested they sign up for was swimming because IMO summer camp is the easiest (logistically not reduced standards) place to earn it. And it is in the water. The rest should be fun fun fun. I would advise max out the waterfront (camp is usually warm so water is good): kayaking, sailing, boating, canoeing, etc (depending on what the camp has to offer. Or be at the range: rifle shooting, shotgun shooting, archery since approved Scout camps are usually the only places to do that. Or if

I agree w/all the perspectives offered. I would also offer this is eligibility to stand for election, not membership to OA itself so I might be inclined to lean towards putting them on the ballot--if these are the 2 days they need to make 20 their peers will know, or their overall participation w/the troop, and will make the appropriate assessment on their worthiness. I absolutely believe in standards and not reading more/less into requirements or adding/subtracting as well but in my humble opinion (and as an ASM and advancement chair) I feel sometimes (and absolutely NOT saying this i

We had the same problem/issue/expense. Now we hand out Troop numbers at the Xover and when they make Scout w/ the Troop they get their necker and slide. A little less grand of a welcome but the costs of no shows was unsustainable as we were getting 15 or so Xovers a year and probably only netting 8 or so after a few months.

alrighty then. my apologies. I must have read your post wrong or more into it than was there.

You lost me here. The other stuff (well except for the phone) is, I guess possibly open for discussion on the best way to deal with the boys. anyway until he is removed his opinion could be considered. But I am a grown up. No one is going to tell me where to tent, let alone that I must tent with another adult. Certainly ig f that isn't the previously established policy/procedure (which I could then opt out of an event if I do not wish to comply). I would have told him to stuff it right then and there, or enjoy his big tent all by his lonesome. Actually you lost me at the "he gave me

I think it is about scholarships. The irony is except for the revenue sports like men's FB and BB there are very few full scholly's available. Except for a few truly exceptional folks in the non rev you might be looking at a partial. And the coach cares not a lick about your academics beyond staying eligible. Many friends whoi had kids play a D1 sport and it was a like a job. they hated the sport by the time they finished or at best saw it as a means to an end. The joy was long gone. My oldest was a pretty good softball player but no way she could get an athletic scholarship. However her

Parent first. do what is necessary to protect your kid. And based on what I have read this PLC/SPL is cabal of future kavanaughs. You may be the SM but I wouldn't take that as a suicide pact for your family. I wouldn't waste a lot of time worrying about how best to make sure these boys learn and grow--that can be their parent's (and someday probably state appointed counselors) job. And if they care the CC/DE/COR. There is a rot if the SPL would do this and no one on the PLC would stop it and, in fact, just laughed. Not going to be surprised when the parents of these little angels claim

we were in the council that last merged w/ gslac (lewis and clark). at the troop level I would be hard pressed to say there is a discernible impact beyond a changing council strips--especially for the boys. I think any "conflict" has been at the adult scouter level and in that respect gslac is the daddy rabbit and they run the show--on the other hand a fair amount of dead weight imo was cleared out of the l&c side of the river. and we now have better access to all of the programs/resources on the mo side. there has not been a wholesale closing of camps. i think one was tferred to the

ok it wasnt just me. I saw and thought same things. to be expected, of course. looking forward to the Boys now welcome in Boy Scouting issue ha ha ha

didn't think you were flip at all and I have seen and recognize the power and utility of redemption, forgiveness, and second chances. MattR has raised some very good points as well. and I appreciate your perspective as well. It really gets down to if one thinks a person has the will and capacity to change/reform and/or the faith the PTB will ensure corrections will be made--and if you have the patience to let that play out--hard to do when it's your kid for sure. BL: hope for the best outcomes but have a plan for the worst ones.

not necessarily. depends on the bad choice. and you don't get to learn on my kid. I really don't feel the need to provide another opportunity for someone to screw up with my kid. and I really don't want that to happen to others either

I wasn't clear--he doesn't have to leave the troop, as you said his kid is in there, but he does need to leave his position. He needn't have any interaction with any boy other than his son. He needn't wear a uni again IMO. But as hard as it would be, if he pulls this again and the Troop doesn't follow thru (and quite frankly, he shouldn't be in a position to do this again so I think you have a problem already) and you can't be there all the time to protect your kid (I get it--I have a job and 2 other kids and my own life) then you have to consider all of your options if the troop has mad

I wouldn't be very patient on this. I would speak directly w/ the SM and/or CC, possibly the CO rep if the CO is involved in the Troop (some are/some aren't). The yelling and screaming (coupled w/prior behavior) has no place and this "asm" no longer needs to have a role or presence at Troop activities IMO (again assuming the facts as presented in the thread are 100% correct and no reason to think otherwise). I would ensure I was present at any activity where my son and this guy were present. I would strongly consider changing units if the Troop isn't going to remove this person. T

IMO he is not sloooooow at all. I am sure there are some faster, but I have boys who have been in the troop a couple years + who are still Scout or TF. They are happy and coming to events. all good. he is doing fine. I am an advancement chair and I see this quite a bit. It is a big adjustment, IMO, from Cubs where the parents/leaders make sure everything is signed off and the program runs on basically a syllabus to boy scouts where the boy needs to drive the accomplishment, and bring his book around (which means having the book, knowing what needs to get signed, and then getting it s

ok I have read this whole thing, really surprised at how fired up uninvolved, anonymous folks can get about stuff. If I were the OP....kid made eagle. he is entitled/deserves an ECOH. As a parent I absolutely see wanting to get that for him. So much so, I would see to it myself (which is how our Troop does it anyway). It is obvious there is some issue driving the cmte to not put the event on. I doubt you will ever get the answers you are looking for. I also doubt you will ever get them to do as you wish and/or put on the ceremony. And further, why would you want to force folks to do

Our troop does Scout BoRs. We know and acknowledge it is not a requirement. If any Scout or Parent points that out and says they will not we would not argue the point or hold a grudge. As adv chair I do not hide the fact it is not rqd and tell parents as such. We do it to give the boys additional opportunities to practice a) sched/attending the BoR, coming in full uni w/ their book, speaking w/ the panel and an opportunity to provide the troop feedback on their journey to that point--especially since these are our newest scouts. It also gets our adults a chance to meet our new scouts and

Our CO (a church) has a piece of property on the edge of town they are holding to someday relocate. We meet at the church. once a year we have a campout at the property primarily for the first years to get them acclimated to the patrol method, work on basics, catch up the boys who couldn't get to camp, allow some boys who cant make the whole weekend get at least one night in as they work around school/sports conflicts. aone time we made the weekend a focus on cooking and we set up all different ways of cooking inthe field and basically had different food/meals going non stop. anyway, it pr

sounds like my son/ 14 yr old Life, busy with Band/soccer/baseball. Troop has a lot of first years and second years who might as well be first years. we focus on what he likes. he goes on campouts, cool day activities, jambo, phi8lmont,nylt but is sort of intermittent at meetings. sort of taking a breather during band/soccer season and then hopefully come back recharged/motivated in the new year when he has a little more time. when he goes to meetings he focuses on what he likes--teaching a single or pair of newbies scout skills to help them advance. it is about balance as well as lett

SSF you make good points and obviously every situation is different. For me, I don't want to discourage parental involvement--it is in fact necessary and we take every opportunity that comes to take really involved parents and get them to sign up as leaders or committee members. I am only talking about the parents who try and steamroll thru the procedures (not that we are slaves to a checklist) that the rest of the boys follow or parents who hand carry the blue cards or scout books thru the signature process on behalf of their son for example. Any parent who wants to set up an event is fine

I don't know of, or we have been lucky to not have the extreme examples but every year we have several orientation meetings for the incoming parents where we clearly spell out how the troop works conducted by the various committee chairs and scoutmasters. we clearly spell out how advancement/scheduling/campouts/meetings/etc are conducted and what we expect of our parents as well as how they can contribute and participate. and in the end, the current adult leadership is very steadfast in how we want the troop (boy led/patrol method) to be. We pushback hard against parents who can't seem to ge

I taught a badge at the last couple Council organized and executed U of Scouting events. I always ask the boys (usually a class of around 20) before we start why are they there. Some have a genuine interest in the topic. Some are chasing a MB that isnt offered a lot or that they don't have. some signed up late and this was all that was left. and finally we get the my parent signed me up and sometimes that comes with the additional I don't want to be here. I just run my badge and those that want to learn an earn do it enthusiastically. Others just do it and then others just sit there

My point was not that the award is meaningless, or that one just go to the Scout shop buy one and hand it out but that all the discussion and hand wringing seems a little silly to me. Interpret the guidance from National, discuss among Troop leadership, and press on. If the boy, in your Troop's opinion met the criteria as they understand it in good faith then that ought to be enough. I have seen actual combat decorations awarded (deservedly) with less scrutiny than some Boy Scout awards receive and I guess I find it funny.

we are not awarding the Medal of Honor for pete's sake. It's a bronze palm. let the boy have it.

not unglued. you seem a bit worked up. I don't recall any info that any of HRC's emails involved the BSA or her having any involvement at all with BSA so her honesty or lack thereof isn't particularly relevant to DT's jambo speech . Don't see how her lies excuses/justifies his.