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    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    Adventure Scouts BSA But, then BSA would need to live up to it.

    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    BSA has used "Scouts" and "Scouting" since 1913. A tad late to sue over merely using those words. This is the last gasp of a zombie organization. Scouting BSA cookies! _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Win the culture war and leave only devastation. "Free stuff"

    Scout led - to trust or to over ride?

    Speaking only of Boy Scouting, such a PL might benefit from training on the role of adults in program. Being a resource is not inconsistent with youth leadership. BSA is an entirely other issue, with registered adult "supervision" every minute being mandated.


    So long Patrol Method. So long Boy Scouting. We tried top-down dictatorship before and have never recovered. Participation is voluntary. So long.
  5. In several publications, BSA states that annual program planning is to be accomplished by the PLC, led by the SPL. The SM acts as a coach for the SPL and a resource. In two publications that I can find, BSA says that the SPL presents the proposed annual plan to the Troop Committee, which is to remember that program is to be Scout-planned when considering whether the Troop has sufficient resources to support the proposed program. These current BSA statements are consistent with BSA policy for over eighty-five years. Inconsistent with those eighty-five years of statements is the current BSA web article entitled "Planning." http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/BoyScouts/ProgramPlanning.aspx This web article says the following: Perhaps this is, in part, simply very poor writing. But the error in stating that the Committee, COR, and UC (and other adults) are invitees is a clear violation of BSA policy. The presence of so many adults will change the process even if, as seems unlikely, they never open their mouths. And the stated claim that they need to be there for "efficiency" suggests that they are absolutely expected to participate. For a typical troop, the Scouts present could be outnumbered two-to-one. -- or more.
  6. This might encourage them to bring those ideas to the PLC - part of their job.

    Parents not getting it

    Tell the voters about how the PL has to be able to convince his peers to schedule what his patrols wants and the SPL has to convince the adults on the TC so support the PLC's program - need people who will be taken seriously.
  8. Wilderness Survival, including SAR. Many skills involved in broad sense, running to 10s of MB topics.
  9. Practice Practice with the "right" committee members and other sensitive, informed adults is good Counseling the Committee on their proper role as supporters of the Patrol Method, inclusive of youth leadership/responsibility is also good.
  10. I posted about this, contacted people then at National, and the page was removed some time ago. The idotic 😢 that the Patrol Method is "part of what we call the boy-led troop" is still there. 😢
  11. Accortding to BSA (for now): "Age Guidekines" All Cubs may camp at a council-organized family camp, Otherwise, Tiger, Bear & Wolf can not camp except at Pack campouts, and Webelos can do Den camping and can camp with a troop as a guest, but the troop has to invite and welcome them. "If a well-meaning leader brings along a child who does not meet these age guidelines, disservice is done to the unit because of distractions often caused by younger children. A disservice is also done to the child, who is not trained to participate in such an activity and who, as a nonmember of the group, may be ignored by the older campers."
  12. Muddy the waters" BSA? Say it isn't so.😃
  13. That is what it once meant. As BSA's rep here likes to say, it's not 1954 anymore. Once, Boy Scouting was the iconic program for boys. Now it reaches lress than 5$ of eligible youth in our area. For the new pursuit of membership see https://www.scouting.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Family-Scouting_Infographic_v10-1.pdf
  14. Nor I. But that's not the requirement. Background check or not, they can only stay 72 hours if not registered..
  15. They had planned on certain parents - unregistered - staying at camp all "week."" as their "two-deep leadership." Under the 72 hour rule they were supposed to leave. Like a full moon with 'da Wolf-man, that 4321st minute turns the unregistered parent into enhanced risks to Scouts. 🐯 So the units adults began calling around to find other adults available during the work week. That's right; as we "hive mind" types know, adults are less available during the day Mon-Fri - esp on short notice.. Having no luck, they decided to ignore the silly rule.
  16. No harm so long as the rule is not enforced. If it were, that troop would have gone home Wednesday night. Our troop's trek in Canada had me (registered) and four parents (not), two of whom were cops and one a county social worker. My experience in different from yours. My experience supports your dichotomy as false. Usually, in my experience, when they register nothing useful is found out.
  17. The parents are the same people the first 72 hours of a given activity as they are in hour 73. If they cannot be trusted for 72 hours, why are they there? Having them registered Scouters does not make them more reliable in any way that has been measured. Really stupid rule.
  18. One local troop I know about - confronted by the 72 Hour rule already imposed by the Safety Bubble - simply did a couple of days at Summer Camp without complying. That is, parents stayed over 72 hours, registered or not, and the camp staff knew, agreeing it was a "stupid" rule. Silly rules create disrespect for rules generally and for rule-makers. Sociology 101.
  19. Richard, if your idea of required "safety" results as is is doing, in destroying BSA Boy Scouting, there will be nothing for parents to "look" at. "Your attitude is beyond unhelpful. It is your rule that says the presence of one or more parents is not good enough to insure the safety of their children at a Scouting activity - must have registered Scouters, who unlike parents, have no legal status ipso facto vis-a-vis the child. Wow, just wow! 😵
  20. How I wish it were not so. 😭 Scouting, primarily the BSA variant, was a big part of my life since 1954.
  21. BSA, most of whose employees literally do not know what the Patrol Metod is, have now abandoned it, and so have abandoned Boy Scouting.
  22. BSA DOES NOT DECIDE WHO IS A "MANDATORY REPORTER" FOR PURPOSES OF THE LAW.. Facing the realities of some of the more absurd aspects of the pronouncements of the Safety Bubble, BSA has ruled that a child's parent is, ipso facto, a "registered Scouter," for purposes of meetings with a Merit Badge Counselor. Hopefully, there will be more push back against Safety by the rest of BSA scouting.
  23. Venturers have led group-forming games at our local courses since 2005. Two of those Venturers were the first officially approved NYLT participants.. They both staffed position-specific/iols training at Summer camp last Summer.
  24. TAHAWK

    Breaking Point

    A big problem is the general aversion of National to communication with volunteers - sometimes even local paid personnel. By "communication," I mean two-way exchange with at.rather than PRONOUNCEMENTS FROM ON HIGH! at.