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  1. TAHAWK

    How should I help my boy?

    internal communication within BSA is often, like external communication, awful. Plus, inconsistencies abound.
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    How should I help my boy?

    Like most public schools, BSA distinguishes between "suspension" and "revocation" of membership. Sexual predator Michael Kelsey, it was announced, was first "suspended" and then had his membership "revoked." Sexual predator John Lenwell was suspended for two years and had his membership revoked only after he molested another Scout in a different unit. "The unit committee should review repetitive or serious incidents of misbehavior in consultation with the parents of the child to determine a course of corrective action including possible revocation of the youth’s membership in the unit. If problem behavior persists, units may revoke a Scout’s membership in that unit. When a unit revokes a Scout’s membership, it should promptly notify the council of the action." Guide to Safe Scouting [emphasis added]
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    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    OK. Follow the rules. Good. But lets not pick and choose. Worry more about the Merit Badge Mill counsel camps and 6-7 times as many "Eagles as once was the case. What lessons taught thereby? Adherence to guidelines? Hardly! Cutting corners? You betcha'. Then we could discuss "lockins" watching movies as "weekend campouts" for purposes of Journey to Mediocrity. And The Patrol Method? Outdoor Method? Goodby to all that. 3 car campouts for "First [sic] Class."
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    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    Attendance in BSA uniform as a member of a Color Guard at a political event is allowed - even traditional. They do need to promptly leave the stage after the flag ceremony is over.
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    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    BSA was founded as an educational organization. Advancement (FKA "Recognition") is designed to encourage learning. Advancement is not an official objective of Scouting or Scouts BSA, although it is often confused as an objective. Please explain why you would want to prevent a youth from having the opportunity to learn to be a good person and good citizen, sound in mind and body solely because they were not a registered member of Scouts BSA. Thank you.
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    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    Are the offending councils parties?
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    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    For purpose of international Guiding, GSA already is the recognized association for the U.S. BSA would be infringing and opposed by The World Association.
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    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    Facts may change over time, changing the outcome. Here, BSA has used "Scouts' and "Scouting" for over a century with no effort by GSA to assert exclusive ownership of either. Many others have openly used "Scout" and even "Boy Scout" in connection with selling goods for decades with no effort to assert exclusive ownership by BSA. The purpose of the law is to protect consumers of the goods or services from being misled as to the source. GSA has no case. BSA should start selling cookies.
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    Per WSJ -BSA may declare bankruptcy

    Selling items gifted for the Museum or property with reversions that can only lawfully be used for Scouting has been an "issue." A Scout is Trustworthy.
  10. Change. Recognizing that some will wish to go their own way, might we start at the National level? If BSA wished to promote actual use of the Patrol Method, what might they do? After the message is clear through words and deeds over a reasonable period of time, it might be appropriate to discuss how to discourage refusal to use/or ineptitude in providing the Patrol Method. Example, "Journey to 'Excellence'" might be amended to provide points for actual use of the Patrol Method, rather than merely having youth with certain titles. All this would, of course, require someone(s) at National who know what the Patrol Method is. Six years ago, there was such a person.
  11. "BSA doesn't have a mechanism for enforcing quality standards in units. For all of its hand-wringing about membership numbers, BSA seems to ignore the direct relationship between unit quality on the one hand and member recruitment and retention on the other. All recruitment is by local units. All retention is by local units. Membership numbers could be improved substantially if the vast majority of those units met quality standards of the kind found in the Commissioner Helps book." 👍
  12. Objective is to develop Scouts as leaders and have Scouts experience democracy. We also do not have school teachers take the tests with the students. So not at all "odd." Sadly, BSA fails to train the adults properly, for example omitting explanation of Patrol Method even as they abandon it de facto for the adult-led troop method.
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    Patrol Method - Best Practices

    "A patrol is a team in the game of Scouting. " Good. And what is a "troop"? BSA used to know.
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    Per WSJ -BSA may declare bankruptcy

    B.S.A official records used to say that I completed Scoutmaster Training (at least 21)years old) in 1910. Now they say 1912. Imaginary units with imaginary members. Imaginary advancement B.S.A. records should be up for a Nebula Award.
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    Per WSJ -BSA may declare bankruptcy

    And that's not to mention potential environmental liability to restore the strip-mined areas. What were they .... Woops, I almost said "thinking." ☢️
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    "Train Them, Trust Them, Let Them Lead"

    Until BSA largely killed it off as inconsistent with WB 21st Cent, there was a good district-level Saturday or 1.5 day basic course ("JLOW") that lent itself to troop presentation. Weaker/newer units could partner with other units to put it on. Some iconoclastic Scouting councils keep putting it on., recognizing that week-long revenue-producers are beyond the reach of most Scouts. https://scoutingevent.com/441-JLOW2018 http://www.trcbsa.org/Event.aspx?id=915 This useful training is also out of step with BSA since based on the Patrol Method and Leadership Development, whereas BSA now requires that at least two registered Scouters supervise every single Scout activity. I suppose all the material about the Patrol Method, Scouts leading and all that, could be edited out to get in step with the latest changes. 😐
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    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    Can you even imagine "adventure" other than in a revenue-generating context? How about adventure in the natural social group - the patrol? In real Scouting, a Scout was to spend "his" time primarily in a patrol context. "Boy Scouting" is patrol scouting.This still pops up in BSA literature here and there. There is no "troop method," but it's hard to tell that since the 1970's when the BSA model Troop Meeting Plan" came out, allocating five minutes to the patrol - to be used in business , for Bill's sake - and the balance to a group that is supposed to exist solely for the administrative convenience of the patrols that make up a troop. You have to be old now to have had much chance to experience "Scouting." BSA dumped it overboard generations ago - with the last coherent formal training on what it meant in 1972. And now the inhabitants of the odious Safety Bubble want two - TWO - registered Scouters "supervising" even patrol meetings - should they occur. Let's try something "new" Let's try Scouting. It worked well, but is so secondary now to BSA's primary goal - raising money for payroll - that what is left has little attraction to the vast majority of kids. Whereas, nationally, 2/3 of all boys were registered at some time with a BSA units, we are under 5% in NE Ohio.
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    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    Trademark law aims to protect "customers" from being misled as to whom they are "doing business" with. BSA used "Scouts" for boys and girls youth programs since 1969, with co-ed Exploring ("Explorer Scouts"). If that was an infringement, GSA had to promptly act to enforce their claimed rights. But it didn't for almost fifty years. GSA should lose, big time. Anti trust law aims to foster competition on the theory that competition benefits consumers.
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    Boy Scouting in WW2

    I had three uncles in WWII. They didn't want to talk about it. All gone now. The uncle in the Merchant Marine was killed in January, 1941 on the Russian run. Many first-person accounts remain.
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    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    Adventure Scouts BSA But, then BSA would need to live up to it.
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    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    BSA has used "Scouts" and "Scouting" since 1913. A tad late to sue over merely using those words. This is the last gasp of a zombie organization. Scouting BSA cookies! _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Win the culture war and leave only devastation. "Free stuff"
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    Scout led - to trust or to over ride?

    Speaking only of Boy Scouting, such a PL might benefit from training on the role of adults in program. Being a resource is not inconsistent with youth leadership. BSA is an entirely other issue, with registered adult "supervision" every minute being mandated.
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    2018 GUIDE TO SAFE SCOUTING

    So long Patrol Method. So long Boy Scouting. We tried top-down dictatorship before and have never recovered. Participation is voluntary. So long.
  24. In several publications, BSA states that annual program planning is to be accomplished by the PLC, led by the SPL. The SM acts as a coach for the SPL and a resource. In two publications that I can find, BSA says that the SPL presents the proposed annual plan to the Troop Committee, which is to remember that program is to be Scout-planned when considering whether the Troop has sufficient resources to support the proposed program. These current BSA statements are consistent with BSA policy for over eighty-five years. Inconsistent with those eighty-five years of statements is the current BSA web article entitled "Planning." http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/BoyScouts/ProgramPlanning.aspx This web article says the following: Perhaps this is, in part, simply very poor writing. But the error in stating that the Committee, COR, and UC (and other adults) are invitees is a clear violation of BSA policy. The presence of so many adults will change the process even if, as seems unlikely, they never open their mouths. And the stated claim that they need to be there for "efficiency" suggests that they are absolutely expected to participate. For a typical troop, the Scouts present could be outnumbered two-to-one. -- or more.
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