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Well, that changed the direction of this thread. The Reverent issue is already decided. If the Scout is required (by his own integrity) to "do his duty to God", and we do not require what that duty is, then the Scout's own conscience will be the guide. If he (and /or his family: see BP's classic comment about religion) decides that his duty is to not "believe" in a higher power, or make ritual thereof, then we have done OUR duty toward the Scout. BP did note that Scouting was "practical" Christianity, much to the consternation of some of his time's Church of England's leaders. He tried to discuss the "church of nature", but some folks didn't want to hear that, either. And BSA became a non-Christian organization. Come to think of it, the Brit Scout Org has decided not to make religion an issue. Can morality be legislated? Another degression on the horizon.... If the Scout's duty is defined by his and/or his family's faith/church/temple/mosque, then that is his business, not ours. If his duty is defined by his own conscience, then one of two things should happen: Either 1) the Scout will self select to remain in Scouting because he sees gain in it, or 2) he will leave Scouting, because he sees a conflict of interest/belief, a hypocracy that he cannot resolve. It should not be up to a Scout leader to declare that the Scout does not belong in Scouting UNLESS his BEHAVIOR shows a betrayal of his Scout promise or non-adherance to the Scout Law. If his behavior or language (that is a behavior, yes?) is such that the Scout Leader has to point out to the Scout a certain , umm, non-conformity (?), then , yeah, there might be a problem. But need it be a "religious" problem?

I have problems here, LMS2227. 1) There can't possibly be any Revolutionary War Veterans around, leastwise not from OUR Revolutionary War. I would favor choosing a different name for the group, one that truly reflects who you are, not who you wish you were. Maybe " Revolutionary War Remembered". The website mentioned does make a worthy pitch for their purpose, tho. 2) If the "appleseed" moniker refers to Johnny Appleseed, I would mention that John Chapman was a itinerant orchardist, a preacher for the Swedeborgian church and a "practical" pacifist. I doubt if he ever carried a gun, tho his father certainly did. . 3) I second Deaf Scouter's discription of the BSA Shooting Sports curriculum. As indicated, there is no single "firearms" badge. It would be good for the RWVA to note the need to meet BSA's credentials so they can, indeed , help the Scout learn the benefits of SAFE firearm use and earn his badges, as appropriate. Oh, and in case my comments were taken the wrong way, Welcome to the virtual cracker barrel, LMS2227! Have a sitdown and enjoy the banter....

"That Friend speaks my mind". I've come to think that , contrary to the usual saying that "it's the company a man keeps" that says alot about him, so much as "It's the company that keeps HIM," that says alot about the man. "he has gone home"

And Jennifer's Council is in, ummm Mumbai, Chernobyl, Tashkent, or Chongqing, perhaps?

The only wqy to fight this kind of thing is three fold. You have begun the first. Make folks aware of the politics. The second is to get ahold of the CORs, who are the "owners" of the council, they officially vote in or out the leadership. Get ahold of the corporate documents (public access thru the state) and make yourself knowledgeable. The third is to involve the press. There is a story here, and some local reporter is dieing to write it. Google Owasippee in the Chicago Area Council for precedent. And on these pages( if they will work) Follow the money. Who gets the credit for (on paper) making your Council "solvent"? Who retains their six figure salalry? Who would want to buy the camp? In what area? Into what would it become? Would the county zoning board like to hearabout this early on? Once a camp is turned into McMansions, or condos or lake front resort , it will never see a hawk or owl hoot or the tramp of size 6 boots again....

American Labor Merit Badge counselors, take note!!

Still can't acccess theissues/program/Jamboree forum.. So here goes: Have you noticed the SubCamps are all named after Westbygod Virginia Coal Mines? Except that the one in that WB favorite movie, "October Sky" is missing. I think we have a teachable moment here.... John L. Lewis, please call your office!

Not I. Did not receive the VotS survey, but Council emailed to ask I look for it. I went to the National Site and gave a page full to the survey linked on the Home page there.

As you might notice, I have just gone thru the whole list of threads and here is what I found: * The "post reply" button at the top of the stack and the "post reply" button at the bottom mean and do two different things. Might want to rename the top one. Maybe "Write Reply"??? *The forums without my "tests" could not be replied to from my present computer, and some of them not from my home computer, either. * "Patch Trading"... the reply dissapeared when top "reply" button was hit, when the bottom/top button was hit, and when the bottom/bottom button was hit. Start over, and the same result. *Still can't "post reply" on I&P Jamboree subforum, from top or bottom. * Hitting the top "PR" button yields a write window, and a seperate "PR" bottom button. They are not the same as the "PR" button at the bottom of the whole page, and may not yield a posted comment. Hope that helps our virtual cracker barrel caterers.

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