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    • These kids father is our Scout Master. They don’t want to leave but feel that these few individuals are set in stone against them. Conversations have been had between all parties but where everyone is so tense with each other nothing has improved. I wish to help improve the situation as this family is planing on leaving but even though other leaders agree that this family has been treated unfairly I will be standing on my own in any course of action I feel is necessary. 
    • Sounds like the SM is being run over. Talk to him. Also, the fact that you're in your mid 20's is not something that anyone will look down on. Don't doubt yourself. In fact, we have our own 20 somethings on this forum and my guess is they''ll chime in soon enough. One thing you can do is talk to these scouts and their parents. Just let them know you're concerned. That will help them a lot. Due to your status as a younger adult those scouts are going to connect to you much more easily than a parent. If this family likes the SM then that's a good reason to stick around. If you can get the parents and the SM together so that everyone knows what's going on that could really help.
    • And that presupposes the idea that someone other than the abuser should be held to be at fault at all.  I'm still not a fan of that whole idea in the first place except in the relatively few cases I've seen where something clearly got ignored or covered up by the BSA.    As much as it would be nice to get a settlement done and over with, there is a growing part of me that would like to see the BSA say "If you can't accept a settlement that leaves us with enough resources to continue to operate, it makes more sense for us to use every dollar we would have had to fund a settlement to actually litigate these cases.  If we lose, then five to ten years from now when all the extensions and appeals are exhausted, you can check the cushions for any change that happens to be left."  
    • I can see both sides on this. Just one example: My troop's budget just came out and they will be charging each scout $420/year. That covers national fees, Boy's Life, insurance, council fees, camporee fees and the money the troop actually uses to operate (which is about $50). The council is getting about $250/scout. So, when my troop asks about fundraisers and the response is sell more popcorn, people are not happy. This is one of the reasons many council and district volunteers have left. They know exactly what is going on. While I suppose the right thing to do would be to write letters to every unit CO in the council and try and bring that herd of cats together in order to replace the council board and SE, nobody is interested in that. They are interested in putting on a scout program for their kids so they just put on an auction and raise some money. I'm sure there are a lot of better run councils than mine but my hunch is my council is closer to the mean than the well run councils. I mean, how do council's get the message that their expenses need to go down if they can just keep asking for more money? It's a whole lot easier for a parent to walk away then take this on. I'm not sure lots of people walking away is exactly what these councils want either.
    • I do believe that there is a fair public policy question here.  Should the country have ever removed the statute of limitations and should organizations like the BSA, churches, and other COs be responsible for abuse claims from that long ago?  These organizations all have permanence due to the nature of the kinds of organizations that they are.  They have all made decisions years ago that if made today would be considered reprehensible and subject to legal action.  Should quasi-permanent institutions like these be held liable for the these terrible decisions by people who are long since gone and no longer affiliated with the organization?  The actions of all these organizations today are radically different than those of 40 years ago.  Should groups be actively be trying to disband them because of those actions so long ago? The heinous nature of these crimes makes it all but impossible to really have this discussion though.  Anyone who would argue this point would most likely be labeled as being sympathetic to abuse.  Even the BSA has all but refused to fight this trend of lawsuits.  The BSA made what I fear will be a near-fatal decision to not push back on these lawsuits and frame them correctly.  The kids in Scouting today would be much better off if the BSA had hired some very expensive PR and lobbying firms several years ago and fought this trend.
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