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Somebody got kicked by a mule I guess. After all, it is Missouri it seems.

Of course, it was staged. It is a national TV program. Take the positive vibe and work with it, rather than look for reasons to lessen its possible impact and forward moving hope. Each unit, as they accept the challenge, will have a lot to work through. We do not need a constant drum-roll of negative "chicken littles".

This book specifically, and many others from earlier times are easily available on the NET, particularly through book dealers such as Amazon, or through a search here: http://www.bookfinder.com/. This link is good for a very broad search for almost any subject or specific title or author. The breadth of responses can be overwhelming for common stuff, and the BSA books from the early days are fairly common, especially from the peak period, now that so many are popping up from estates or attic/basement cleansings of "parental stuff" by children and grandchildren. EBay of course does have it too, though there are still people posting them that seem to think they are rare, which they are not. Now, as with any of these things, the best copies or ones that are signed will be premium, but sometimes not as bad as you might think if you look a little. Good searching.

Yep, and it is that very file that no other organization had anything like for protection that caused much of the legal issues when the courts decided to open them up to the legal scavengers so they could drag stuff into "the light". It mattered not that it was a different time and most of the cases had been put away at the request of families who did not want to put their kids in the public theater of the time. Yes, there were some that today would have immediately been prosecuted, but it was not up to the BSA to make that decision, and most of the cases in the files had gone to authorities who chose, for whatever reason to bury them. As I have reminded the forum previously, have we so easily forgotten the MacMartin cases and the related paranoia that ruined so many lives twenty years or so ago? Hopefully YP will do what it is intended to do in most cases; but reality is that there are always mistakes and things that go out of bounds.

Is anyone on here familiar with camps that may have units adopt a site or two in a council camp and make sure it is maintained as needed? I could see, with the right parameters, a win-win arrangement. Units would get reduced fees, depending on the level of their involvement, and the camp would possibly have more consistently maintained sites. Years ago, when our camp was new, our unit was involved in a major way in its development, and they had their own spot when they went there. That has long since gone away, but some variable of this might be an incentive, not only for camp upkeep, but also a guaranteed spot to camp a couple times a year at low or no expense. I am sure this idea is ripe for a tug of war of opinions.

I was stationed on a small NATO bombing range north of Munich in the late 60's. We were remote, so we had our own little clubhouse where we had fussbol, a pinball machine, small jukebox, and where we showed our own movies from a reel machine. There were only 9 of us stationed there, and we had local German workers for building target stuff on the range and even keeping up the little house we used for a barrack and office. When we showed movies, which we would get from Munich fifty miles south, we opened the clubhouse to the locals if they wanted. They also would play bingo with us once a week. Always at least two cases of beer, usually double, half chilled and half warm. We got the Battle of the Bulge in one time, and we had locals begging to see it. Few of them had any animosity towards us. One worker even spent most of the war in a camp in the states. The funny comment that was common though from those that had been in the War was that they fought on the Russian front. The veteran NCO that ran the site (officers were sent TDY to talk to pilots, but not permanent) had actually bombed the area we were in as a crew chief on a large bomber. It was an interesting experience. b

I have just finished reading my copy of HE-WHO-SEES-IN-THE-DARK, the story of Frederick Burnham written in 1932 by James E. West. Burnham was an American frontier scout who scouted with the British in Africa and worked with Baden Powell. The name in the title was given him by African natives with whom he intermixed while in Africa. Interesting work, and clarified much of my vague awareness of Burnham's place in Scouting lore. West writes in chapter 19, "The Sign of the Knot", how learning what seemingly are minor things, like basic knots, are far more important than one might think and how BP thought about it. "Baden-Powell, who had pondered long and delved deeply into the secret that lay beneath the miracles that the great scouts could perform (referring to those like Burnham, Boone, Carson, and Bridger, among others) found that their excellence, unromantic though it may seem, came from learning to do the simple everyday things in the most efficient and speediest way possible. There was a patient toughness in the preparations they made. Their dexterity came from reasoning and experiment to find the best method, and the constant practice to give them speed and sureness." West suggests that B.P. considered this of paramount importance in the later development from his military writing to material for his Scouting program. The Scouting connection aside, Frederick Burnham was a fascinating man. He apparently lived in Santa Barbara late in his life.

IF this is actually the case, I suspect we might soon hear that it went away. No matter how strapped a council might be, they have clerical people to deal with advancement details, and Eagle boards do most of the preliminary verifications of dates and such in most councils. If they do not in this "council", then maybe they should. Total nonsense. By the way, there is a legitimate fee for processing in an expedited manner that is available, though even that may be covered by most units.

Remember, lemons can be made into many tasty things as well as useful options such as air fresheners. So too can poorly designed programs, especially if done by those closest to the action.

This is described by the original poster as a Boy Scout viewer for an atomic explosion. Can anyone shed light?

Since we are speaking of various scouting related books, I am finally getting around to actually reading a few of the lesser know ones I have. Yesterday I read My Boyhood in the Sixties and Seventies Murray, who was on the original executive board and wrote the first official history at the anniversary in 1935. It was put out in 1940 by BSA in his honor. Interesting, but short. He admits to some less than Scouting activities as a youth, but mentions that he hopes not too many would do similar things "today". He talks about his experiments with smoking, and says "we knew where babies came from", which made me chuckle. Today I started reading the book on Frederick Burnham written by West, He Who Sees in the Dark. Am about half through it and I learned a few things. One, that West was not a bad writer, though not on the level of the great authors. Maybe I will take up his Lindberg book next, or the one he wrote on the first world jamboree.

And the Biography of a Grizzly is also the only EBL in the format in which it is done. I read that was insisted on by Seton, but not sure why.

I discovered that my info is slightly inaccurate, as Rockwell did a couple of very early illustrations for two other books just prior to the Cave books, though they appear to have been just illustrations and not the myriad examples throughout the Scouting related books. Many of the drawings are simple line type and have his initials on them. Of course, that was when he was acting as Boy's Life art editor. He also did illustrations for a number of the Every Boy's Library volumes according to one researcher's details. There is little doubt in my mind that Rockwell's work had a very big influence on the public acceptance of the formative decades and the hay day of the fifties and sixties.

Another interesting thing about those two books is that they were the first books illustrated by Norman Rockwell. Do you have the individual books from 1913 and 1914 or the double with the two combined?

Well, this piece from 1922 is quoted from New York Times. Even so, I kind of like it, no matter what some might say about the verity of the paper today. 1922 NYT article.pdf

An interesting item from 1952 about the Pope visiting.

This is an early award from the Oakland area. Do not know anything about it. Perhaps someone can fill us in?

The one with the odd salute is the cover of an LDS magazine. So, it may have something to do with them. The card is actually British.

1941 Jan.bmp

I am waiting for this forum's founder to write his biography of Bill. It would be great to add it to those of the other greats of our program. Also would like to find one on Robinson, even though he was more YMCA overall. His short-term assistance in those first few years were critical. Probably a few other pretty important names buried in those first couple of decades, but they tended to stay in the background.

I just finished reading a nice tribute in Scouting Magazine on Greenbar Bill, William Hillcourt. Not only is there the article by Mike Ray, but Bill is also the subject of Mike Surbaugh's short editorial piece. Do not know what has brought about the renewal of Bill as a major player in Scouting, but it is surely time. Hopefully it may be a harbinger of his Scouting knowledge in Boys' Life, as well as perhaps more in Scouting.

This year we have 4 recent Eagles that we are carrying forward under the College Reserve category. This category is helpful, since it does not require the training an ASM or other stipulations might. However, while some are not particularly affected by the fee, I wonder if there should be a limited waiving of it if the individual is actively attending, possibly not to exceed "x" number of years and verification of actual full time attendance. Just a thought. Comments invited.