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Applications from USA are now being accepted: https://wsj2019.us/apply/In addition to your scouting resume, it also asks for a $250 early-bird deposit. Some details on selection process on Bryan's blog: https://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/2017/11/01/2019-world-scout-jamboree-registration-is-now-live/ Interestingly, it calls out to your my.scouting.org account for confirmation.

This batch of crossovers to our troop hit the ground running. Not sure if that's a testament to the new program, or the DL, or a combination of both. In addition to all of the above, ask one of the troops if they would be willing to provide a den chief. A DC gives the boys a good sense of what a Boy Scout should be like. Finally, like David said, adjust your goals. So much can happen in a boy's life, there's no guarantee they can stay in Scouting. I think it's great when they do. But, it's also great when they grow up strong and good in other activities.

I think the scouts in my troop feel a lot like yours. That's why I have no intention of promoting BSA4G until I see real demand. I volunteer for smiles, not someone's sense of social activism.In the meantime, I'm just talking to Life scouts about insta-palms. In terms of you yourself acting on BSA politics. Consider running for office in your area VOA.

Dismantling? That's been happening for decades.Could GS/USA have built troops based on charter partners, removed size limits on units, and highlighted multi-age units that engage in outdoor activities? Yes. They didn't. So here we are, taking risks with your program. We might be having a lot of fun at your expense. Or, in some parts of the country, more boys will wind up joining. I will be surprised if BSA4G will amount to massive membership gains. I don't think this is going to encourage a big influx of cash. And it seems that this screwball separate unit strategy is an attemp to validate, not dismantle, units like yours where girls aren't pounding at the door. P.S. - What's with venturers and siblings? I swear I should have two crews ... one for even birth orders the other for odd birth orders.

The real reason? Threefold: Fun! Young girls are having fun with the program in a way that they have never done before. Some of us scouters like seeing kids have fun, plain and simple. Maverick units are making it work. Meanwhile boys in the vicinity seem to be doing as well as ever. Disavowing these units is becoming a losing proposition. Even units who would remain all boys resent a heavy hand from National. Nowadays, parents write the checks. They see the Mavericks and say, "With or without you, what will it be?" Yes, membership matters, money matters. But, the real impetus here, IMHO, is girls with a unique initiative having so much fun with this program above others that they can no longer be ignored.

From @@Jameson76's long (though understandable considering National Advancement Team's rapid cycle of requirement revisions) paste, I gather one significant stipulation: "patrol or troop campout." This leads me to infer that "where" is not as important as "who with" and "how." My favorite youth-preparation model is an iterative planning cycle where The PL/SPL after conferring with his patrol/PLC presents a tour plan to the SM, The SM reviews and either approves, or identifies any thing that should be included in the plan (e.g., named chaperon's/drivers, insertion/extraction times, equipment needs, objectives, safety, etc...) PL/SPL either implements the approved plan or consults with his patrol/PLC to revise the plan and return to step 1. Different program planning and leadership materials (as well as knowledge from the troop committee and experience with these boys to date) guide the SM in identifying a good plan from a poor one. So, for some units, the meeting place is automatically to not be part of any plan. For others, it may be expected to be part of one or more plans a year. What are the implications of this? Obviously, some meeting places provide an ideal outdoor place for a New Scout Patrol to put in their plan. Others, not so much. But we strangers on the internet have no say in that. The definition of "ideal" is at the SM's discretion, with input from the committee. If there is no planning and SM review when crossovers set up a tent, be it outside the meeting place or in the heart of a federal wilderness recreation area -- it shouldn't count. One might also want to consider that if adults hijack the entire planning process, it might not be "in spirit" a troop camp-out. But that is entirely unfair to a young scout who would not know any better -- even after a thorough read of the current handbook. So, in spite of HHJJ sounding like he'd want a general answer, and @@Jameson76 correctly points out that nothing is written against it, the truth is, no general answer is available. Any specific answer hinges on a scouter's discretion in approving plans for "troop/patrol" activities.

Um, so how many boys -- cubs especially -- pay their own dues? I mean, once upon a time, every meeting, I carried the quarter from my allowance to the treasurer/scribe, and then when I got Christmas/Birthday cash, I paid dues in advance. But, that doesn't happen in the units that I know these days. (Maybe 1 in 10 scouts, once they have jobs.) Furthermore, how many boys pay for gas? How many bother to even get out and wipe windows while their driver fills up on the way to camp? Besides a handbook and a few pamphlets, how much of the program do boys really own? If we follow the $, parents are BSA's customers. Now as a responsible scouter, I do try to integrate youths' opinions before I fill out a survey (or even reply to this blog). But, I also try to ehar from youth who dropped out or never joined the program in the first place. That stuff seems interesting. But, I think Backpack has a point. We all have enjoyed youth contributions to this forum. It would be nice to multiply that and have it intrinsic and transparent to BSA's business model.

Does the meeting place has some acreage and a bit of woods where a patrol could camp without disruption?

This from one of my first venturers ... ..., a week from tomorrow I will be going through one of the scariest, yet one of the most relieving experiences of my life. I will be donating 2/3 of my liver. I'm nervous for obvious reasons, but also will be so relieved since the recipient needs this to continue a normal life. When I first heard the news that the recipient needed a liver transplant, I happened to be driving home one afternoon. I prayed to to God, asking Him "oh Lord, oh Lord, oh Lord, what do I do? What do I do?" As tears were streaming down my face. At that exact moment I came to a red light. I looked up, and the car in front of me was covered with bumper stickers saying "donate life" and "become a living organ donor" - dead serious. Coincidence? Maybe. But I knew it was an answer to my question. I knew from that moment on the decision was made, and this is one of the callings from God. I decided to post this status to simply raise awareness of living organ donation - not for attention, or being looked at as some "hero," or for pity. I hope that more people can become more open minded on this topic. Although my nursing career has been paused for the time being, I know that being a patient in the hospital will give me a new perspective that I can carry with me while I tend to my future patients. Luckily, my liver will regenerate back to its normal size within six weeks of the surgery, which I find amazing. The 2/3 of my liver that is given to the recipient will grow to fit the size of their body. A good friend once told me "The only things that matter in life is your family/friends and your health" and this quote could not be more perfect to describe my current situation. Thank you to everyone for your continued support and prayers. Words cannot describe how blessed I am, and I know the recipient and I will be just fine with God on our sideâ¤ï¸

Let's not delude ourselves. It's hard enough to make the program equal for an 12 year old and 17 year old. In parts of the country, the cultural expectations on a girl may overwhelm attempts at equality no matter if your CO insists on integration or segregation of the sexes. What BSA can do for us -- and we ourselves -- is make sure the program resources are identical -- even if they are plastered with "boy" and "brotherhood". No bars lowered. It's up to boots on the ground to make it work. And, if that means acquiring different adult leaders for girls, that may or may not generate disparities. No amount of speculation will tell us in advance.

TT, tell TurtleSon2 congratulations and that, not to worry, you know strangers on the internet who will get him a patch in spite of the ageist impertinence of his registrar. Yes, he is deserving of 3 insta-palms. All that background about continuing to develop leadership blah blah blah is inconsequential. By this new definition, he is on par with a life scout who checked out 4 years ago and came back to some troop somewhere the month before last to wrap up his Eagle project before aging out. Thus, why I, in spite of NJ's protests, will continue to call them insta-palms. The timing of EBoRs is an entirely an adult manufactured problem. That's partly why we're in this mess in the first place. Please ask your awards chair to not make matters worse by denying TurtleSon2 his right of refusal.

Shadowing a swimmer kinda pushes the boundary of "swim in a strong manner". But, sometimes that bit of coaching enables the scout to later increase time in the swimmers' area, consequently increasing skill.

First of all, we're a long way from half the ceremony team being female. But ... A cabin properly divided with a tarp would suffice. Yes, it is responsible to have mixed groups during day activities without a chaperon. BUT training on personal safety awareness would be imperative. AND it's a big country, so I can see some places where this would go over better than others. This is the crux of the problem with BSA4G as currently proposed. Arrowmen will be nominated from troops of boys and girls who may not have had dealings with the opposite sex. That will be perfectly natural and accepted in some lodges (maybe even separate lodges for boys and girls). But, other lodges might expect more mixed-sex operations.

It's quite simple, NJ. Eagle scouts born after 7/31/1999 and registered on 8/1/2017 may review their records to see if they qualify for insta-palms. What could be simpler? O yeah, no dates whatsoever.

Sarcasm, friend. But you bring up an interesting point. At a national level how much should a youth led organization follow their youths' lead? I know my scouts, but do I know yours? I may trust them to assemble their own patrols and elect their own PLCs. But, should I ask them to decide how you should form your patrols?

@@cocomax, I have been to an awesome GS camporee put on by my Venturers for one of their GS gold awards.. It was at a beautiful camp that was closed this year ... along with 5 other GS/USA camps in our area. Fact is, if senior girls and cadettes aren't aiming to camp monthly, the demand for camps drops precipitously, A cautionary tale for all of us,

With grandparents' living within yards of a Great Lake, this was an imperative for my kids. It was tragic in my mind seeing my mother-in-law with such a fear of the swimming because she never needed to conquer it as a child. (On the other hand, they were very strict with the grandchildren about PFDs and open water, which I took great comfort in. The kids even learned how to fish with life jackets on!) A good swimming program allows for the possibility that some skills(like jumping in) might have to wait a year. I often have misgivings about boys not taking the swimming/lifesaving route. If for the only reason that it's the best way to learn how hard it is to do open rescue without support. It also teaches attentiveness -- something that many veterans told me astounded them about their Eagle scout colleagues. I guess E-Prep does this to a degree, but it's not the same. On the flip side, I was not great with cycling as a kid. So, this could be a bit of country mouse judging the city mouse in ignorance. In any case, I think the summer camp swim test (honestly assessed) gives boys a fair sense of what the next level could be.

Have a cup of tea with the treasurer and ask to look over the checkbook so you can get a handle on what's been spent in the past, and what the current balance is. Your Charter Organization Representative should be your ally in this. Like scouterr said, if he's satisfied, move forward with the current balance. If it looks like something nasty happened (e.g. $10,000 for summer camp when your troop only sent 8 scouts to a $300 camp) then your first meeting may need to be about taking action against someone, or the CO will do that legwork for you.

No he may not. Welcome to the forums. Now, brace yourself. FIRST CLASS FIRST YEAR IS A LIE. Taking years to advance not a problem. Son #2 took four years for no good reason. He eventually earned Eagle. His buddy took as long because the lake freaked him out, and he refused to let me test him in a swimming pool. He enjoyed the program until he was 17. He's an awesome young man. Other boys have had different reasons. The best scout I ever knew aged out at 2nd class. What made him the best? He invited me to join his troop. Fight with every fiber in your body the notion that he hast to advance now. There are 130 other things (MBs) he could do until he's ready.

... again with the "do not do's" ... I was once taught to think of it this way: There was this guy beat up and naked on the side of the road. Plenty of folks with lots of religious practice passed the guy by on the way to temple. Then along comes this other guy who may or may not have done much in terms of religion, and if he did, it was on the wrong mountain. He does first aid on the guy, covers him in his own Armani jacket, takes him to the ER, and -- not willing to trifle with figuring insurance for this John Doe -- gives the hospital his black AmEx card to cover all expenses and promising he'll be back to make sure the guy got top-noch health care. So who fulfilled their duty to God? Sometimes what people tell you about what you should do has little to do with what God says you must do.

The national venturing youth cabinet and the O/A National Chiefs have had a lot of sway on the board. Certainly for as twice as long as Back Pack has been a scout. In a sense the board has held back overtures from many of them to open BSA to coed units for decades. Not sure what they think of BSA4G. I met a couple of the National Venturing officers in April and then the precipitous decline in numbers of Venturers was an urgent concern.

And to think one year, our troop went for months as patrol 1, 2, and 3, and I would cringe and mutter, "dens have numbers, patrols have names."

My observation as well. There are different roles for men and women. This is why youth should be encouraged to study their local tribes. Sex roles should be honored, together.

Welcome, thanks for all you do for the boys!

Not exactly.Looking at other WOSM programs and ignoring the meteoric rise of scouts Pakistan presumes that co-Ed is the preferred endpoint. Looking at home and seeing some charter orgs make square wheels roll to make their girls and boys scout together, and other potential COs looking for all-in-one turn down packs and troops, presumes BSA4G is the endpoint.