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This is a throw back to times past, and serves not good purpose in today's world.

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Good thread, RRO are used to keep things fair, and civil. A Troop PLC or Lodge LEC certainly should use them, as they are voting bodies. Unit Committees, as pointed out above, are not voting bodies, but rather are variety of members, and/or sub-committees, that appear to report progress, coordinate, and receive new assignments. Depending on how you interpret unit committee structure there are either three votes (the actual officers on the Charter), or it's one individual empowered to act with a limited portion of the authority of the Charter Org. As I have said before, if it comes down to

BadenP, your painting in broad strokes, and didn’t fully understand my post. You do have a full appreciation of the Charter Orgs role, but not that of the committee. Before delving into this let me make an important distinction. BSA policy and training paints a picture of a fully engaged Charter Org, in reality most orgs give the unit their blessing to run things as they choose, and don’t want to be bothered. Involving the Charter Org is something to approach carefully; and unless you’re the CC or COR, should be done through the CC, or if the CC is the issue through the UC

The OA, like all other scout programs, is exactly what we make of it. If there's a problem, step up with a solution. The OA program in my District has become a pale shadow of its former self, and I was a complainer, remembering the program from my glory days. Once I took a closer look, and saw the lack of support nor only for the program, but also for the youth who were passionate about the OA, I threw my hat back in the ring. The OA is valuable part of the BSA program, but we must always remember it's comprised of the scouts in our units, and it's mission is to serve and strengthen our units.

The OA is a Boy Scout program, adults are not in charge. I keep reading posts bashing things your local Lodges/Chapters are and are not doing. One question: how many scouts from your unit are active in the OA? The OA isn't an outside group, it's made up of scouts from units, yours included ... are you and your scouts promoting the program, and supplying the man power to move things in a positive direction, or just sitting back waiting for others to deliver the program to you?

The answer to your question is simple – YES he can I’m not endorsing what was done, as Pack Leadership should function as a team. Now let me explain: The Charter org appoints a CC The CC fills the committee positions The committee identifies CM candidates, and makes a recommendation to the Charter Org, which can confirm or veto the appointment Once the CM is appointed he identifies and recruits his assistant, and the Den Leaders, typically with the committee’s help, but the committee doesn’t have to be part of this process. The Charter Org must a

Welcome, and pull up a seat! Much like any Roundtable we’re a mixture of grumpy old salts, throw-backs pining for days long past, and young fire brands. Despite our short-comings, or perhaps because of them, and the debate they spark, this group often can provide some good insight and advise.

Capt, It sounds like you have a real issue, but due to my own ignorance I don’t follow the question. (I suspect I’m not alone). Questions: What is Twilight camp? Who is the camp for? Who puts on the camp?

Two part answer - Part One: The OA program, as currently operated is specifically designed as a Boy Scout program. This is a BSA policy decision tied to the purpose, function, and structure of the OA. The question you’re raising has been raised for over fifty years, originally by female explorers and female Professional Scouters. Adding adult females to the program, beginning in the late 80’s, had a huge impact on the dynamic of the program. Adults are only advisers, not participants. Female program participants is a difficult fit. Ceremonies and dance are based on native

Policy is this (Boy Scout): Oscar De la Renta uniforms are worn with red loops and red numbers. Centennial uniforms are worn with green loops and green numbers. To have a bit of fun, and make this point, y son who owns both type shirts, got into my old stuff and sewed my old colored office, rank, and Arrow of Light patches on his Oscar shirt. He gets lots of double takes. I'm not a uniform Nazi, but do try to follow uniform policy. Although it pains me to say it, I like the Oscar De La Renta shirts best. Typically I wear a first run Venture shirt (an Oscar), I wish I could find anoth

The Patrol Method is "Our Gang" or " The Little Rascals" with structure and values, engaging in activities with a purpose. The adult (SM, or his delegate) sets the framework for activities, and ensures the required skills and tools are made available, while developing youth leadership through coaching (this should mostly flow from through the SPL). The ASPL is perhaps the most misunderstood, and misused position in BSA. I blame the name, Assistant Senior Patrol Leader ... which is exactly what he isn't. The SPL is responsible for leading, coaching, and mentoring his Patrol Leaders a

The correct answer is it's your responsibility to keep up with your advancement, not the Troops, District's, or Council's. Your next step should be to request a Scoutmaster Conference to talk about what needs to be done; only your Scoutmaster can answer that question ... I suspect after giving you a hard time, and talking about responsibility, he'll give you direction on how to get the information in the new book, and once you've done that, compliment you on achieving First Class.

Scout Spirit is a scout "doing his or her best" to live by the tenements of scouting: Oath, Law, Slogan, Motto, Outdoor Code, Pledge of Allegiance, the Requirement's of his or her Faith, and should the scout be an Arrowman, whatever obligations he, or she has taken. For Cubs, Varsity, Venture, Sea Scout, and Explorer, adjust accordingly - for now.

Interesting question, and one we could split policy hairs with ... or just let common sense decide. Ask yourself what are the scouts intended to get out of fulfilling this requirement ... make sure they are getting this, then ask for District Advancement Chair to approve your end plan.

I'm sad because I see them less often, but that's all that changes. As a scout leader I see the same kid, and will still do whatever I can to help him or her.

Easy there Torchwood. Twocub isn't looking for a critique, he's looking for advice on how to proceed. Hindsight is a beautiful thing, but not what's needed here. There's lots of great advice in this thread, and clearly you're trying to help this young man become a better person, or you would have taken the easy route some while ago, and sent him packing. I suggest you stay very aware of the damage this young man can cause. You apparently have had heart to heart talks, and they have not worked. Time to put it on the line, by all means do refuse to sign off on scout spirit, and explain

Polls are inaccurate and skewed by design, I'd not place any stock in this, or any other poll, about anything.

I'm interested in how this comes out. Are you willing to posit periodic updates on who the planning and event goes? You have a chance to pioneer a good program here; the closest thing we have is Powder Horn.

This is very , and I feel for the young man's family and friends. However, before getting carried away here, this does not necessarily point to a program failure. Also, to keep things in perspective, consider how many injuries and deaths occur in unsupervised, and undisciplined outdoor activities. The reason these type of tragic events at scout outing are such big news is the rarity of the occurrence. I'm not excusing, or minimizing this, it is tragic; just keep things in perspective.

Yes, the program is youth ran, however within clearly defined parameters. Setting standards for each activity the scouts engage in is key. For example, in our troop menu expectations are al follows: 1. All meals are to well balanced, and nutritional, with appropriate portions. (See Current Cooking Merit Badge Pamphlet for additional information). 2. All meals are to be prepared and cleaned up in a way that is in full compliance with leave no trace. (See Boy Scout Handbook) 3. All meals should be chosen with program times and restrictions in mind. (See PL for Event Agenda ) 4. All m

The Troop is a Unit type; unit is a generic term used for Packs, Troops, Teams, Crews, Posts, Districts, Lodges, Councils, ect. Think "unit of measure", which refers to a great many things. I understand your concern, and as a former Scout Master have had this talk with many a parent. The first thing to understand is your scout has eight years to earn his ranks, which only require he hold office three times. Most troops have six month terms of office, so this can be done in eighteen of the ninety-six months he has available. The second thing to understand is the troop members elect th

Although I like the idea of focusing on the arrow, after all we are the Order of the Arrow, and are on a quest to "seek the arrow"; however I'm concerned about the down play of Indian Lore in the OA. Our ties to native lore and traditions are a large part of the mystique and allure of the Order of the Arrow, in short our PR and marketing.

There are lots of good answers here, but I think I can clarify things a bit: Yes, the only way for a youth member of BSA to be inducted into the Order of the Arrow is by being elected by his peers, in his troop. This is a carefully designed, well thought out mechanism, with a purpose. The OA was started to put forward outstanding scouts as role models to their peers, and this remains an important part of the order. The idea is to motivate scouts to become more like those scouts who are honored by being inducted into the AO. By having the scouts in each troop decide who best exemplifi