John-in-KC

I agree with Lisa. There is no such mandate that I know of in BSA program literature.

Policy? Probably not. Encouragement within the program materials? Certainly. What form it takes? To paraphrase any number of British Prime Ministers at Question Time on C-SPAN (one of my favorite TV shows!), "I refer the honorable gentleman to the replies I gave one year ago."

The only thing the CM plans to do is to have a general talk to the pack about acting like scouts outside of scout events. Sounds like: "What can Den Leaders and the Pack CM do? Emphasize Point 2 (A Cub Scout helps the Pack GO!), by some quiet and mature talk about when and where to roughhouse/fight (Point 3 is the Pack helps the Cub Scout GROW!) within the Law of the Pack." Seems to me the CM is on the commonsense glidepath here. OK!!!! Who wants ICE CREAM???!!!???"

"Paper Towels are not allowed, neither is bottled water." In my neck of the woods, there's at least one weekend campground where there is no access to potable water. In fact, you have to bring your water with you! Yes, I have used both chlorine and halazone tablets. I've boiled water too. I've also seen free chlorine go South below safe levels in the summertime in 5 gal cans, 55 gallon drums, and 400 gallon farm tanks. I don't like filters for group environments, they're expensive and their rate isn't all that fast. So... you're at a dry (or at least non-potable) water camp. How does your Troop deal with it?

Take the article to your Scout Shop and ask for an exchange. Invoke the warranty

Here is the Relationships Division at the National Council: http://www.scouting.org/Media/Relationships.aspx Here is the Chaplain's Aide book: http://www.scouting.org/media/relationships/chaplainrole.aspx To me, the important thing is having an idea of the mix of faith communities in your District or Council. Your Professionals, who have access to area demographic data, should be able to help. I know some areas which are homogenous to a single faith group, I know others which are really, really diverse. Diversity is where the rub hits: What you say to the Christian may well (almost certainly is) anathema to the Jew or the Muslim. Ditto the other way. If your event can arrange for faith-groupings of worship, you're going to be miles ahead over trying "one size fits all Scouts" worship. By groupings, I mean Christian-Protestant, Christian Catholic, Jewish... according to your local area population mix. A Note: This is my $0.02 on this, vice a BSA position. BTW, here is a rather lengthy thread we did on this topic a year or so back: http://www.scouter.com/forums/viewThread.asp?threadID=193506&p=1 HTH.(This message has been edited by John-in-KC)

I agree with Stosh, but remember that's going to take some teaching. I also believe, though, that every patrol box should have, as routine items: - Package of biscuit mix. - package of cornmeal based cornbread mix - cooking oil - Oatmeal - couple cans of fruit pie filling - salt and pepper - sugar, white and brown With these staples, I can make a dessert or a breakfast bread and a supper bread.

I love it when we get information one tidbit at a time, seemingly as though we pulled teeth. Let me be blunt: This happened in the context of SCHOOL. If there is reporting to be done, or administrative punishment to be given, it's the SCHOOL's responsibility. Now, what the parents do? Hopefully get together as mature and responsible folk and see if there's common ground. They're the ones who deal with their own children. Family punishment is a family responsibility. What can Den Leaders and the Pack CM do? Emphasize Point 2 (A Cub Scout helps the Pack GO!), by some quiet and mature talk about when and where to roughhouse/fight (Point 3 is the Pack helps the Cub Scout GROW!) within the Law of the Pack. Then it's done, unless and untill something happens inside the Scouting context. Period.(This message has been edited by John-in-KC)

We can hope, but CNN makes it read like he invented it from whole cloth.

Actually, if you don't have the 2008 edition of the ELSP workbook #18-927, it's available at the NESA website: http://www.nesa.org/trail/18-927.pdf The current pdf format version is 18-927E.

This email was waiting for me tonight when I got home from sitting in on a Pack Committee meeting. It's from one of the senior secretaries in the Heart of America Council... and it's NOT a late April Fool. I quote verbatim, except her name: The National Council, BSA has changed the Eagle Scout Rank application. The new official form will say 2009 Printing on the back of the form. Thanks to Steve he has published the new form on the council website at: http://hoac-bsa.org/Adv_Resource.cfm'>http://hoac-bsa.org/Adv_Resource.cfm . Please let your units know about this change. This is the third change that the National office has implemented regarding these forms over the past year. According to Eagle Scout Services at the National office we will be accepting the 2008 Printing 2nd Edition Eagle Scout Rank Application until July 31, 2009. No earlier editions of this form will be accepted for processing. On August 1, 2009 and after, only the 2009 Printing of the Eagle Scout Rank Application will be accepted. C Program & Camping Department Heart of America Council, BSA 10210 Holmes Road Kansas City, MO 64131 Once again, the urls are: http://hoac-bsa.org/Adv_Resource.cfm to the webpage with the guidance http://www.scouting.org/filestore/pdf/512-728.pdf to the app itself BTW: It's not yet a fillable. Print and use, or save as a background and use textboxes on a word processor. Sigh.(This message has been edited by John-in-KC)

Cherry simplicity: 1 bx white cake 1 can cherries 1 stick butter (oh, ok, you want margarine...) Empty cherries into bottom of Aluminum foil. Add white cake mix slice butter and put pats all over top of mix. Put in Dutch oven 45 minutes. Eat.

My take: If that's the single biggest challenge your District has, you have tremendous Troops in your District. Agreed: It's no longer strictly according to Hoyle. Disagree: It's a dangerous program/support element which will result in major G2SS and YP violations. Has your COR been trained to understand what right should look like? Is he instructing the Troop to follow National policy? Has your friendly Unit Commissioner been by to make a quiet comment to the CC and/or SM? Are your SM/CC/ASMs/MCs current on training? If no, you've not yet used all your local resources...

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CAMP WHITSETT, Western LA Council: http://www.whitsett.org/ Home of the Silver Knapsack trail Trev? Thoughts?

shortridge, Yes, we will have to agree to disagree. I've seen a SM tell a youth brother at RT to "get out of my face, the election will be run my way or you'll never see the door of my troop again." Not even "effective listening for Commissioners" or the WB listening module works for a youth who is told to "STFU." Friendly? No. So... the Adviser took him and his COR aside... the water was oiled rather quickly. BTW, the CA went to that particular E-team event, just to be sure. There are times and places where the youth members just aren't going to get traction. In those cases, it's time to use techniques that lower the communication barrier.

The troop I described earlier has what I can only call a superior relationship. It helps that the unit leadership comes from the ranks of the church. The bad news is it's hard to get into that unit as a Scouter if you're not a member of the church. Since they have their 50-year Veteran bar they must be doing something right.

1) National Standards for Council-Organized Family Camping, No. 13-408: If you really want this, then contact your DE, or the Professional/Ranger in charge of your Scout Reservation. National is migrating bin items (such as this) to pdfs online. Your professionals have access to that filestore. 2) I've been involved in my Council's Cub Family Resident Camp programs. We call it Bear Camp. We run it 6 weeks every summer, 2 sessions in a 4 day weekend cycle. A Council Organized Family Camp is SCOUT CAMP. It's a residential experience at your Scout Reservation. It's something that gets a NCS qualified inspection team. 3) Better resources to ask for, for Cub Camping, are: Resident Camping for Cub Scouting, No. 13-33814 Cub Scout Outdoor Program Guidelines, No. 13-631 4) If you look at the Age-Appropriate Guidelines appendix to G2SS, NO TIGER, WOLF, OR BEAR Youth program member is to be at a Camporee. Webelos are authorized VISIT ONLY. Camporees are Boy Scout Program Events 5) The flow for questions on this is to the District Camping Committee, thence to the Council Camping Committee. They are the ones who give local guidance on how to make things happen. 6) If you think you won't like to hear the answer, don't ask the question. 7) Is the concept of Cubs not being at a District Camporee right? Dunno. Don't think so, personally. That's not the important question... which is, what's the policy...

Twocubdad: I suggest you read a 2007 or later ACP&P. The words from the FAQ are in the policy document. That's the real world program guidance your DAC lives with now, whether we like it or not

The part B quoted is sadly not in ACP&P #33088 Article IX (the DRP) is Article X, Section I is A small part of Article XI is.

I must agree with Eagle1977. In fact, my youth was when the leading edge of the greatest generation were 40-somethings headed to 50-somethings. They DID use those techniques on us, and I can tell you running laps in leather dress shoes (the whole troop did it) HURT. One ASM, a once-Marine, used to talk about esprit d' corps a lot. I'd rather talk about camp cooking

Ms Summer:

Ms Summer, How has your information gathering gone today? Keeping an eye on the prize, your son should be working his "Goals and Ambitions" letter, making sure his references are ready to write, and that he's stuffing critical dates onto his Eagle app... One hint. I've taken the app, used each page for a Powerpoint master, and saved it out after I aligned the various text blocks. That way, I COULD save the info on the app... which I don't think the National pdf lets you do.

My troop did, back in the 60s. Provided ceremonial music for To The Color at opening, and Retreat at closing...

PS, Read the current ACP&P. Local Councils have the discretion to require letters of reference as a means of checking references, and giving the info to EBORs. In our Council, we use unit EBOR with District Guest. Scout is required to hand out shells to his references. They are mailed to the CC.