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6 more weeks of winter!

Poor Phil was shivering even with his fur coat. Does your local Ground Hog or cultural equivalent critter agree?

 

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Just flew home. Feels good to have one's face hurt by stepping outside. Less deceptive than that sun getting you all cheery only to have you watch your face peel off later.

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Woodstock Willie (Illinois - home of the movie Groundhog Day) is currently hiding in the witness protection program to avoid being whacked by the Chicago mob - they paid him off to not see his shadow and he betrayed them - he saw his shadow.

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1 hour ago, ItsBrian said:

I don’t see why the it matters since it’s 6 weeks until spring either way.

I figured this out a long time ago.  Six weeks after Groundhog Day is the Spring Solstice.  It has nothing to do with winter weather.  That's just the assumption people are led to believe. :)

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It is a much better movie than it is a legend. :)

If this tradition started in Pa., it seems strange because it can snow into April, as it also sometimes does here, so that’s at least eight weeks right there.  And there are places in the U.S. where it can snow into May.  Winter weather ends when it ends, solstice or not.

Hmm, does this make me the Scrooge of Groundhog Day?

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Ah, the yearly meteorological meanderings of the marmota monax ...

Remind me why we  get six me weeks of winter if he sees his shadow - doesn't that mean the sun is in fact shining, which should be indicative of impending spring, yet an overcast sky means he doesn't see his shadow, and thus somehow, more winter? 

This is why I would never trust the weather with an overgrown rodent. :laugh:

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1 hour ago, The Latin Scot said:

This is why I would never trust the weather with an overgrown rodent. :laugh:

Actually, to be fair to the groundhog, a prediction by a human meteorologist about what the weather is going to be six weeks from now is worth about as much as the groundhog’s prediction.

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11 hours ago, NJCubScouter said:

It is a much better movie than it is a legend. :)

If this tradition started in Pa., it seems strange because it can snow into April, as it also sometimes does here, so that’s at least eight weeks right there.  And there are places in the U.S. where it can snow into May.  Winter weather ends when it ends, solstice or not.

Hmm, does this make me the Scrooge of Groundhog Day?

Nobody says six consecutive consecutive weeks! :p

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20 hours ago, Tampa Turtle said:

We have that too. Once in camp the forecasting stone was a large bolder with a tripod of huge spars set up on the parade ground in the middle of the night. There is always some new kid who has never seen it and thinks it is hilarious. :)

 

We call it a weather stone :) , our daycamp has one at scout craft. 

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On 2/3/2018 at 5:59 PM, ItsBrian said:

I don’t see why the it matters since it’s 6 weeks until spring either way.

To quote Tevye (Fiddler on the Roof):   Tradition!

Its just a fun little way of keeping some tradition and history alive - Just sit back and enjoy it.

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On 2/3/2018 at 11:53 PM, NJCubScouter said:

Actually, to be fair to the groundhog, a prediction by a human meteorologist about what the weather is going to be six weeks from now is worth about as much as the groundhog’s prediction.

Maybe even less.  Phil's accuracy is about 36% from 1969 to 2016.

I've heard it said that being a weatherperson is the only job in the world where you can be wrong 95% of the time and still make more that $250K per year.

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On 2/3/2018 at 10:38 PM, The Latin Scot said:

Ah, the yearly meteorological meanderings of the marmota monax ...

Remind me why we  get six me weeks of winter if he sees his shadow - doesn't that mean the sun is in fact shining, which should be indicative of impending spring, yet an overcast sky means he doesn't see his shadow, and thus somehow, more winter? 

This is why I would never trust the weather with an overgrown rodent. :laugh:

The legend is that if he sees his shadow, he gets scared and runs back to his burrow to continue to hibernate.  If he doesn't see his shadow, he doesn't get scared and he stops hibernating.

In the real world, make groundhogs emerge sometime in February to find a mate.  Once they have mated, the go back in to hibernation until sometime in March.

The tradition of Groundhog Day started in post-Catholic Germany.  Until Germany became a mostly protestant nation, the German's celebrated Candlemas Day (conveniently on February 2) where the Catholic Church would bless and distribute candles for "second winter".  The candles represented how much longer winter would last.  The Protestant churches did not celebrate Candlemas day so rural Germans adapted the weather forecasting part of the day into an animal prediction based celebration using badgers as the animal of choice.

It is no accident that Groundhog Day originated in Pennsylvania, specifically around the Pennsylvania Dutch areas of the state - lots of Germans settled there, and brought their traditions with them.  It was celebrated earlier than the famed "First Groundhog Day" in Punxsutawney, but they were small local celebrations amongst neighboring farmers.  The Punxsutawney Groundhog Day was created by the Puxsutawney Elks Club, mostly as a replacement for their Groundhog Feast which was held in September.  With more readily available farm raised meats, they decided that it was no longer worth it to hunt groundhogs for their feast.  They still had their feast in September but mostly with pork and chicken instead and not wanting to lose their association with the groundhog, they modified the German candlemas day badger day tradition using the groundhog.

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