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  1. Wilson, please try your post again, it should work now.
  2. Well, based on this language the policy certainly seems to be coming from GSUSA National:
  3. While I do understand why the GSUSA is upset with the BSA right now, this kind of thing only hurts their own members and, as others have said, could cause some girls to say, if I can't participate in these events as a Girl Scout, I'll do it as a member of Scouts BSA. Which presumably is not what GSUSA is aiming for.
  4. I think that gets a little tricky when you are talking about a not-for-profit corporation. There's no stock to transfer. There really aren't any "owners." And even if you could figure out a way to do that, the Congressional Charter probably complicates things. Transferring it would probably require passage of a bill by both Houses of Congress and signature by the president. If I were the BSA, I would want to stay as far away as possible from the federal legislative process right now.
  5. Welcome to the forum gpurlee!
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    Skit in Underwear - JCPenny

    I think Neal is correct, this falls under the "appropriate attire" rule. Obviously it is right on the edge, otherwise there would be no need to talk about it. I usually err on the side of "let's find a more appropriate alternative if we can," which in this case tells me the Scout who has been robbed should be wearing gym shorts over his underwear. But that's me.
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    "Demonstrate" versus "Show"

    I don't think "show" and "demonstrate" necessarily mean different things. The meaning of each one may be affected by the specific thing you are expected to "show" or "demonstrate" but I do not think that in any of the instances mentioned here, what the Scout is required to do would be affected by using the other word instead. (I use both words quite often in legal writing, and I use them interchangeably, for whatever that's worth.)
  8. (Bold-face provided by me.) Seriously, Barry? I have no question that you are deeply concerned about the impact of this change on the boys, and you are absolutely sure that you're right, and I get that. Only time will tell whether a large number of boys will leave the program. But at the same time, I can't help but wonder whether there is also a certain amount of resentment involved, as indicated in the quotation above.
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    Anyone want to read a draft of my article?

    You might also want to mention the Disabilities Awareness Merit Badge and/or list the pamphlet among your resources. It shows that the BSA is trying to build awareness among Scouts as well as Scouters.
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    Anyone want to read a draft of my article?

    Very good article, well-written and informative.
  11. I agree with that. My question was about @The Latin Scot's statement that he was looking into forming an "LDS-minded unit" that follows "LDS values." I am not sure what values he has in mind. If it is things like The Golden Rule, help the poor, thou shalt not steal, etc., great, because those are Scouting values as well. If it is things like, the troop doesn't camp on Sunday so the members can fulfill their religious obligations according to LDS church, that's fine too, but it is usually up to the CO to impose something like that, and I don't know what CO would impose something like that other than the LDS church itself, which by definition is NOT going to be the CO after the end of the year. If it means no girls in a pack, and/or no "girls' troop", that's up to the CO as well.
  12. That's right, and since neither the LDS Church nor any of its subdivisions will be CO for any BSA units, I can't see a situation where the CO would impose "LDS values." Well actually, I can see one, but to my understanding it is discouraged by the BSA. That is to have the CO be "Friends of Troop 123, Inc." If the majority of the directors or trustees of the corporation happen to be members of LDS, acting in their individual capacities and not as part of the church, then yes, I suppose they could say the unit will follow "LDS values." What's interesting is that the unit is not chartered to a religious organization (even though everyone involved in the CO may be of the same religion), and therefore it would not be able to follow "local option" on a certain membership issue.
  13. What type of organization is the CO of the new unit? Isn't it the CO who decides what "values" the new unit follows (in addition to the values of Scouting, of course.)
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    What is the proper term now?

    The problem is that because a person can't really be a "Scouts BSA", they have "detached" the description of the member from the name of the program. A member of Cub Scouts is a Cub Scout. A member of Boy Scouts was a Boy Scout (though often just called a "Scout.") A member of Venturing is a Venturer. (Right?) A member of Sea Scouts is a Sea Scout. So now, a member of Scouts BSA is a... Scout. It breaks the pattern, but given the BSA's selection of a name, there really is no other choice. "Scouts BSA" really is not a proper name for a program, in my opinion, but that's what it is.
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    I wouldn't go that far. I don't think there is any difference in intent there. I don't think they previously meant you have to be 22. It is just a clearer way of saying the same thing.
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    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    Works for me. Of course, that isn't going to happen.
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    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    I don’t know.
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    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    My suggestion had been that the BSA consider using "Girl Guides", but people here had all kinds of reasons why that would be bad. I'm still not so sure, but it's moot at this point.
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    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    I think you can rest assured that the BSA's attorneys will bring up that decision in this case. Whether it has the effect on this case that you think it might have is another issue. I believe the legal situation is considerably more murky than Tahawk, for example, thinks it is. There are at least two factual scenarios involved here, one is that the BSA is using the word "Scout" without any qualifier as to "Boy" or "Girl", the second is that the GSUSA was able to find a number of examples of BSA councils using the phrase "Girl Scout" (or "girl Scout" or similar phrases) to recruit for BSA programs. It sure seems to me like those councils were violating the GSUSA's trademark. Whether that conduct is attributable to National is another isse.
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    Are there any female Scout Executives in the US?

    We have one female DE (although I'm not sure they use that title anymore after they reorganized everything) and there was another one who left about 5-6 years ago, but I don't think our council has had any at a higher level than that. I suspect the percentage of female DE's and Field Directors is considerably higher than that of SE/CEO's.
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    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    But the BSA has won trademark infringement cases that only involved "Scout" (as opposed to "Boy Scout"), which implies that the courts must have found "Scout" is NOT generic. I do not know of any change in the last several years, or decades, that would produce a different result now that the BSA is on the other side of a lawsuit.
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    Omaha Tribe Elder and Others - disrepect at National Mall

    Hostility toward white people in this forum? I have never seen it. It has always been my assumption that the vast majority of members of this forum are "white." (I am using the broad definition of "white" here.) That is partly based on the fact that to my knowledge, ALL of the people who have chosen to have a photo of themselves as their avatar appear to be white. I am not sure that anyone has ever identified themselves as being other than "white," with the possible exception of The Latin Scot who has identified himself as Latino (which doesn't necessarily mean he isn't or is "white") and I believe there was someone a ways back who identified himself as at least partly Native American. So just who do you think is being hostile toward white people. As for religious people, I have seen far more hostility toward NON-religious people than religious people in this forum.
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    Omaha Tribe Elder and Others - disrepect at National Mall

    Black Hebrew Israelites (aka Black Hebrews, African Hebrew Israelites, and Hebrew Israelites) do not think they are Jews. They think they are descendants of the Hebrews and Israelites of the Bible. Some apparently believe that they are the ONLY descendants of the Biblical people, and that the Jews of today are not. Some of them are hate groups, some are not. Obviously this group that was involved in this incident is a hate group.
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    Per WSJ -BSA may declare bankruptcy

    Interesting. I didn't know that. I wonder if the other "National" properties are owned that way as well.
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    Per WSJ -BSA may declare bankruptcy

    And also did not "produce" nearly as many children in the first place, which I think is the largest factor in the membership decline in the BSA in the 70's and after.