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CalicoPenn

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  1. Sad sign of the times

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Most people focus either on a well regulated Militia or the right to bear arms not being infringed. What most people don;t think about is "being necessary to the security of a free State". This clause gives the reason why the second amendment even exists. It doesn't exist so that people can use guns to hunt. It doesn't exist so that people can have guns for self defense. (Though those are secondary benefits which are still important - they're just not the primary reasons). It exists so that people will be armed to come to the defense of their state and country. The constitution presumes that the United States and the States within are free states. It does not presume that the United States and the States are totalitarian dictatorships. It certainly does not presume that when people have disagreements with their government that they can take up arms against that government (example - the Whisky Rebellion - President George Washington himself didn't hesitate to send the militia in to suppress and subdue armed and violent citizens that were threatening (and more) duly sworn representatives of the government there to make sure that a federal tax on domestic whisky was collected). At the time the second amendment was created, the founding fathers were wary of having a standing professional army. They had just seen how "ordinary citizens" (mostly - they did have help from "professional" soldiers) had defeated the most powerful army on earth at the time. They knew that an armed citizenry was a powerful force that could be called upon to defend their government(s) from OUTSIDE forces. They did not expect that people would need to defend themselves from their own government. Yes, yes - we've all read the whole at times the tree of liberty needs to be refreshed by the blood of tyrants stuff but that was very much a political statement aimed at one particular tyrant. Your right to keep and bear arms is meant to have an armed citizenry ready to come to the defense of the government (the State). We've allowed the creation of a professional military to defend us. In doing so, we have allowed ourselves to believe that we can leave the defense of our country to others while we go on with our lives. This has allowed folks to twist the meaning of the second amendment to one of being able to defend themselves against their own government, and get away with it. Those folks are deluding themselves in these modern times. When you have a government with a standing army that can manipulate a silent drone from a thousand miles away to drop an explosive device on your home, there is no effective gun defense against your own government. ps - yes, the Illinois Militia had 2 pound grasshopper guns (cannon). Like every other state, the Governor/Legislature could call forth citizenry to form temporary militias - these were the armies of a state, the militia members were paid for their service while they were part of the militia, by the state. While many members of the militia brought their own rifles, the state also had their own armories that they could outfit their militia from. If a militia unit had 2 pound cannon with them, they were provided by the state armory - not brought by some random guy who happened to own a 2 pound cannon and just happened to be in the area that the state was recruiting people for militia service. Abraham Lincoln was a member of two different militia units. He served as elected captain (elected by the members of his militia unit) for 30 days, then when that militia units term expired (after 30 days), re-enlisted and served as a private. His militia units were formed for one purpose only, to chase down the Sauk Indians refusing to give up their land that they felt was ceded to the US by people not authorized to do so. We know it better as the Blackhawk War.
  2. Sad sign of the times

    One - I didn't call 6 million Americans terrorists. I called the NRA a terrorist organization. You're the one who extrapolated from that to calling the members themselves terrorists. Two - the NRA itself claims they have 5 million members - not 6 million as you have stated. Who is being dishonest here?
  3. Journalistic and Political BS. There is no evidence at all that the lobbyists hired by the BSA are working the halls of the capitol in opposition to this act. They could be working on many other things.
  4. Same CO...multiple CORs

    The Chartered Organization Representative is appointed primarily to represent the CO at District and Council meetings. It is a secondary responsibility to represent the CO at unit meetings. The COR isn't a regular member of the committee and should rarely meet with the committee. The COR should, however, meet several times per year (with no definition of several - since 2 is more than one, that might count as several) with the other two members of the Unit Key 3 (Committee Chair and Scoutmaster/Cubmaster, etc.). Each CO only gets one representative to District and Council, regardless of the number of units the CO has. Thus the "rule". If COs want to have a different representative of the CO liaise with each unit, they can do so - but those people would not be the CO's Chartered Organization Representative.
  5. Sad sign of the times

    Everytown for Gun Safety is quite clear on what they consider the parameters to be to call something a school shooting - you can disagree if you want but its rather disingenuous to claim they are being dishonest just because the numbers they are reporting which match their criteria doesn't meet yours or someone else's idea of what a school shooting means. We can have honest differences of opinion without calling other people dishonest
  6. Sad sign of the times

    It depends on how you define school shooting. While the number is off by 1 (the folks who came up with the numbers changed it from 18 to 17 because one of the schools has been closed for a few years) there have been 17 incidents of gun fire at schools since January 1. If you don't want to call some of them "school shooting" feel free if it salves your conscience - but frankly, arguing whether a middle school student committing suicide by gun in his school's restroom is a school shooting or not, or whether a student fires his gun in the air during an argument at school is a school shooting is beside the point. Whether its 5 or 7 or 17 gun incidents, it is 5 or 7 or 17 gun incidents too many.
  7. Sad sign of the times

    Based on past experience, there will be no changes made. If we couldn't get sensible gun control regulations passed after a school shooter killed perhaps the most sympathetic group of children ever (young children who still believed in Santa Claus just two weeks before Christmas), we'll never have any changes - not unless we declare the NRA a terrorist organization and retire every politician who takes donations from them.
  8. Sunday Morning segment on the BSA

    I have no problem with the Skorts - as long as they allow boys to wear them if they wish.
  9. Adult Adventure Weekend at the Summit

    Got to pay for the Summit somehow - and it looks like the Boy Scouts of America is counting on the Man Scouts of Neverland to do so.
  10. Virtual Campfire

    You're kidding, right? Please tell me you're kidding.
  11. Virtual Campfire

    I suspect that B-P would be fleeing in terror at the witchcraft of instantaneous electronic communications.
  12. Virtual Campfire

    Wait - you mean this site has a place where people can click on green or red arrows to express their approval or disapproval of a post? Get outta here..... Seriously, don't go back to lurking - you're adding a valuable perspective. My attitude towards those arrow things is those are for cowards. If someone doesn't agree with something I've said, then A Scout is Brave - respond in the thread and lets have a discussion about it. Otherwise, I just can't be bothered by it.
  13. Scouting is doomed

    * Female Scoutmasters * Liberals * Conservatives * Heavy influence by the Church of Latter Day Saints * Elimination of merit badges for farming Scouts * Public schools no longer sponsoring units * Churches no longer sponsoring units * Trail Life * Guide to Safe Scouting rules * Helicopter Parenting * Troop only Merit Badge counselors * Popcorn Sales (product too expensive) * Parents afraid of the outdoors making their children afraid of the outdoors. * Millenials * Baby Boomers and etc. etc. etc.
  14. The legend is that if he sees his shadow, he gets scared and runs back to his burrow to continue to hibernate. If he doesn't see his shadow, he doesn't get scared and he stops hibernating. In the real world, make groundhogs emerge sometime in February to find a mate. Once they have mated, the go back in to hibernation until sometime in March. The tradition of Groundhog Day started in post-Catholic Germany. Until Germany became a mostly protestant nation, the German's celebrated Candlemas Day (conveniently on February 2) where the Catholic Church would bless and distribute candles for "second winter". The candles represented how much longer winter would last. The Protestant churches did not celebrate Candlemas day so rural Germans adapted the weather forecasting part of the day into an animal prediction based celebration using badgers as the animal of choice. It is no accident that Groundhog Day originated in Pennsylvania, specifically around the Pennsylvania Dutch areas of the state - lots of Germans settled there, and brought their traditions with them. It was celebrated earlier than the famed "First Groundhog Day" in Punxsutawney, but they were small local celebrations amongst neighboring farmers. The Punxsutawney Groundhog Day was created by the Puxsutawney Elks Club, mostly as a replacement for their Groundhog Feast which was held in September. With more readily available farm raised meats, they decided that it was no longer worth it to hunt groundhogs for their feast. They still had their feast in September but mostly with pork and chicken instead and not wanting to lose their association with the groundhog, they modified the German candlemas day badger day tradition using the groundhog.
  15. Maybe even less. Phil's accuracy is about 36% from 1969 to 2016. I've heard it said that being a weatherperson is the only job in the world where you can be wrong 95% of the time and still make more that $250K per year.
  16. To quote Tevye (Fiddler on the Roof): Tradition! Its just a fun little way of keeping some tradition and history alive - Just sit back and enjoy it.
  17. Can Scouts use campers?

    As long as the Scouts and the adults are in separate pop-ups, there's nothing that says you can't.
  18. Woodstock Willie (Illinois - home of the movie Groundhog Day) is currently hiding in the witness protection program to avoid being whacked by the Chicago mob - they paid him off to not see his shadow and he betrayed them - he saw his shadow.
  19. Am I the only one?

    If I've got this right, the District (Council) sent out an e-mail inviting the district volunteers to a meeting where they would answer (or try to at any rate) the questions they posed in their letter, then you (without apparently attending the meeting) made up your own answers to the questions based on how you think/assume the District/Council is going to actually answer those questions - and now you post on that face-thingy thing and then in here and you're looking for what? Validation? Confirmation? Sympathy? Did you go to the meeting to find out what their actual answers were? If so, care to share? Otherwise the answer to your thread question is no, alas no, you aren't the only one, not even the only one in this forum, to get e-mails and letters and notices and see announcements from District/Council/National and read in to them whatever you have decided to read in to them and then work yourself and others in to a frenzy of negativity because you somehow just intuit what is going to be said without even bothering to attend the meeting. And because you aren't the only one, you will get plenty of folks giving you validation, confirmation and sympathy for something you have essentially imagined.
  20. STEM Scouts continues to grow

    Well why wouldn't it meet the mission of the Boy Scouts of America. If all the activities that Cub Scouts, Boy Scouts, Venturers and Sea Scout do, very few of which directly prepare young people to make ethical and moral choices over their lifetimes by instilling in them the values of the Scout Oath and Law, then surely these activities do as well. I wonder how many Cub Scout Den Leaders know what the mission of the Boy Scouts of America is. I wonder how many Troop leaders actually know what the mission of the Boy Scouts of America is.
  21. When discussing Baden-Powell, the Boy Scouts and Masculinity, we can't forget to consider the time period where his ideas were formed. Baden Powell was very much a Victorian - as such, his ideas on masculinity were heavily influenced by the Victorian attitudes toward masculinity which were mostly formed within the religious and spirituality sphere of Victorian life. Masculinity wasn't about being a hero or a protector - it was about being pure, about having the proper sexuality (indeed, masculinity was never really a concept that was discussed until the Victorians started trying to figure out how homosexuals fit into the normal gender roles of society). Masculinity was ultimately about getting married and having children - being "normal".
  22. I'm waiting for David French to answer his own question. The only thing I get our of this opinion articles is that Conservatives are right and Liberals are wrong. The shame of it is that the answer is probably somewhere in the middle. The culture war isn't raging because one side is right and the other side is wrong (choose your sides according to your beliefs). The culture war is raging because both sides are right and both sides are wrong and they can't seem to come together to discuss the issues with an open heart and open mind to get to a common understanding. So what is a man?
  23. Buzzfeed - CSE Surbaugh - Girls - Scouter.com

    I'm afraid the numbers don't bear out the claim. In 1972, there were 6,287,284 members. A 1/3rd loss would bring that number down to 4,371,508 - the BSA didn't drop below that number until 1979 - 7 years later.
  24. Buzzfeed - CSE Surbaugh - Girls - Scouter.com

    * Kodak's main business was selling camera film. In 1996, if you wanted to take photos, you bought film. There were no digital cameras available to the consumer. in 2002, the first cell phones that took photos were released. By 2012, you could take fairly good photos on your cell phone. Consumers had switched to digital cameras, including Single Lens Reflex cameras that took excellent quality photos, and taking photos with their cell phones. Consumers were no longer buying film, their mainstay product. Kodak tried to market Kodak-branded digital cameras but they weren't very successful at it. The did declare bankruptcy to restructure. They still exist but are a lot less engaged at the consumer level as they are at the business level. * American Suzuki Motor Corp declared bankruptcy and shut down manufacturing in the US because their market niche was smaller cars with more basic features. In 2012, the market in the US had definitively trended back up to larger vehicles, SUVs and Trucks - which had much better gas mileage ratings than previous versions and had the safety features that US law required and the bling that consumers wanted. Suzuki could no longer compete. * Nintendo was the king of at home video game consoles. In 2008, a video game console was needed to play most video games. Today, you can play those same video games on-line - on your phone or your computer. No one needs video game consoles anymore. In each case, these companies were going the way of the buggy-whip. They're main products no longer relevant in today's market. The BSA has been heading the same direction as these companies. They could continue down the same path making no changes because "it upsets existing customers" or they can make changes to try to keep the concern going. Maybe a more apt list of companies to consider would be: Nokia - from paper mills to mobile phones Xerox - founded to manufacture and sell photographic paper IBM - from typewriters, calculators and computer hardware to software and consulting Fortune Brands - from tobacco to golf clubs, furniture and other varied consumer goods 3M - from mining to sandpaper to post-it notes, health care and electronics (among other varied businesses) Also DuPont, Corning, GE, Monsanto - to name a few.
  25. Buzzfeed - CSE Surbaugh - Girls - Scouter.com

    There were other factors involved too. Birth rates declined dramatically though the 1960s and that had an impact. Towards the tail end and in the aftermath of the Vietnam War, the BSA was losing favor among many people who felt their uniforms were too similar to the military. In the late 1960's. my Pack had a marching drill team - in the early 1970's, our town asked the Scouts (Boy, Girl, Cubs, Brownies - what have you) not to do marching drills or even walk in ranks - they wanted folks to just walk in masses of people - to look less military. Other units in our Council reported the same thing. The 1970's was also about the time that youth sports started exploding to where it is today. Lets not blame it just on the BSA changing its program in 1972.
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