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Would you ask an Eagle candidate at his BoR what he thinks about the membership change?

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I sit on my district's advancement committee.  Typically the "hard" questions that I like to ask are to determine how the scout feels about various aspects of the scouting program or changes to the program.  However, this issue is controversial enough, that maybe it wouldn't be good to bring it up at a board of review.  Any thoughts?

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Personally, as a Life Scout who is near Eagle, would find a question like that invading my personal opinion and thoughts. I don’t think you should ask a Scout their opinion when your opinion may be different.

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I wouldn't ask what he thinks. I'd ask how he'd help.

That’s still opinion based though, if they don’t agree, they can’t just say “I won’t†because they know it will affect them.

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I would not ask that type of question as it does not provide any information about the program. And more importantly as Brian points out what response is "acceptable, or even informative.

 

A real question about the program would be, "What aspect, or experience in your scouting journey was the most influential to your personal growth and why?"

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That’s still opinion based though, if they don’t agree, they can’t just say “I won’t†because they know it will affect them.

If I'm a Commisioner wondering who might be willing to help the folks who've been talking to me about their daughters, newly minted Eagles would be my first ask. Your frank answer to such a question would be welcome.

Rest assured, in one way or another, you will be asked how you expect to contribute to scouting in the future.

But relax, there are no wrong answers.

 

Let me be very clear. The wrong answer is the one you say because you think that's what people want to hear. Any scouter would welcome a reply like "Respectfully, sirs/madams, I would rather put my support behind an all-boys program if time allows."

 

Yes, the BoR will ask some opinions. Scouter's need to know what their youth are thinking. They often have opportunities for specific youth ... if they know who those youth are. Asking how a scout would like to contribute is one way to find out.

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I don't plan to ask about it at EBOR's (or any other BOR's), at least not until there is a specific program in place at the Boy Scout-age level to ask about.  I suppose it is probably a legitimate question for someone else who chooses to ask it, as long as there is no "wrong" answer.  I think there are very few questions the answer to which has the potential to endanger the Scout's ability to make Eagle (or any rank), and this is not one of them.

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A scout is brave.

 

An aspiring Eagle must be able to articulate his thoughts, even on controversial topics.

 

My ebor was in 1977. It was a grilling, good and proper. I'll never forget it and will always respect the board members. Great prep for the future.

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No.  This is a Board of Review - key word here is REVIEW.  You are reviewing the Scout's Scouting career - his path to Eagle.  This issue has nothing to do with his path to Eagle.  If you want to ask in conversation after the BOR - once the BOR has made their decision, that would be ok - but not in the BOR where his answer may trigger a negative response from someone sitting on his board who decides to fail him based on his opinion. 

 

This is still a political issue in a lot of ways - and that does not belong in a BOR.

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I have no issues with the question. I was asked about the last election. I gave my answer and I could see a few of the people on the board want to try to change my mind but they simply accepted my answer and moved on. If we only throw soft pitches at our scouts you end up with kids who don’t know how to hit a curve ball. I’ve never understood how some parents can insist on their scouts taking the easy path when it comes to scouting, yet insist their kid go outside and practice their sports skills until their feet bleed. There’s nothing wrong with asking a tough question. It’s how the person asking the question responds to the answer that’s important.

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... My son then started quoting

... in Arabic in illustrating his position. 

:wub::rolleyes:

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If I'm a Commisioner wondering who might be willing to help the folks who've been talking to me about their daughters, newly minted Eagles would be my first ask. Your frank answer to such a question would be welcome.

Rest assured, in one way or another, you will be asked how you expect to contribute to scouting in the future.

But relax, there are no wrong answers.

Let me be very clear. The wrong answer is the one you say because you think that's what people want to hear. Any scouter would welcome a reply like "Respectfully, sirs/madams, I would rather put my support behind an all-boys program if time allows."

Yes, the BoR will ask some opinions. Scouter's need to know what their youth are thinking. They often have opportunities for specific youth ... if they know who those youth are. Asking how a scout would like to contribute is one way to find out.

I mean no disrespect, but that’s how you think it will go. There may be someone who totally is set on “I want all my candidates to say no they do not support the program otherwise...â€, you get the point. I’m just saying you wouldn’t care of the answer, which is great, but some may be biased.

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No.  This is a Board of Review - key word here is REVIEW.  You are reviewing the Scout's Scouting career - his path to Eagle.  This issue has nothing to do with his path to Eagle.  If you want to ask in conversation after the BOR - once the BOR has made their decision, that would be ok - but not in the BOR where his answer may trigger a negative response from someone sitting on his board who decides to fail him based on his opinion. 

 

This is still a political issue in a lot of ways - and that does not belong in a BOR.

 

Hmm. I almost always ask a question or two that is "forward-looking" rather than simply "reviewing" what has happened in the past.  The main one (asked at all BOR's, not just EBOR's) is either "What is the one thing you would like to change or improve about our troop? (and why)" or "What are your favorite and least-favorite things about our troop" (ands why)"?  At EBOR's, assuming the Scout is a senior in high school (which most of our Eagles are), I will also ask about their future plans.  (I guess that one sort of falls into a different category since future plans are something they have to write about anyway before even getting to the EBOR, so nobody should have a problem with asking about those.) There is no "wrong" answer to any of these.  

 

Personally I see no reason to ask any "opinion" questions (other than the one about the troop) but I am not convinced that they are illegitimate questions - but again, this assumes that the outcome of the BOR is not going to be affected by whether the questioner agrees with the answer or not.  Some questions are asked primarily for the purpose of having the Scout engage in a thoughtful conversation.  What they actually think about a particular subject is irrelevant. 

 

I remember one Eagle candidate who was vocal about his support for Republicans and was also a big Mets fan.  I didn't hold either one against him.  :)

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