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  1. No, we have aquatics day on the lake. The district uses boats from the council camps, which would otherwise just be sitting in storage.
  2. A bit of a bragging post here, but I just reviewed my son's scout calendar for the past 3 months. Feb 9: Helped run ex-pack's pinewood derby with other members of his troop (Outdoors) Feb 10: Patrol day hike (Outdoors and Overnight) Feb 22-24: Troop snow campout (Outdoors) Mar 2: Scouting for food service project (fliering) (Outdoors) Mar 3: District aquatics day (Outdoors) Mar 9 morning: Scouting for food service project (food pickup) Mar 9 evening: Troop fundraising project (setting up, serving food, and cleanup for retired teacher's dinner) Mar 16: 8-hour Red Cross FA/CPR training (technically not a troop/patrol event - but was done in preparation for high adventure trek this summer) Mar 17: Attended ex-pack's blue and gold ceremony (did crossover ceremony for new scouts) (Outdoors and Overnight) Mar 22-24: Troop new scout campout (Outdoors) Mar 31: Troop day hike (Outdoors and Overnight) April 5-7: District camporee April 13: Staff meeting for Troop ILST April 14: Troop ILST April 20: Attended Eagle court of honor (Outdoors and Overnight) May 4-5: Troop campout These activities were all in addition to regularly scheduled troop or patrol meetings. And he was not even trying to rush to first class. He actually missed one troop activity in February when he attended a church event instead.
  3. I went to Woodbadge after having almost 20 years in scouts, and after taking JLT (what is now NYLT) and staffing it for many years after that as a youth. Maybe the fact that I already had more experienced in scouts than everyone on the Woodbadge staff somewhat jaded me, but I have to agree with many of the more recent posts that that course was not that impressive. I certainly didn't get the world-altering experience that I was promised after "drinking the Woodbadge kool-ade." I really thought that the course was way too much lecture on topics that anyone who works a white-collar job is already thoroughly familiar with. I much preferred the “old” JLT/Woodbadge format that went over specific leadership skills as that course seemed way more focused on teaching the skills that are needed to effectively lead a patrol and troop. That all being said, I did find parts of Woodbadge very useful, specifically networking with other leaders and also learning about different council programs that I was not familiar with like STEM. I also initially hated the ticket concept since I was already a very active leader, and it didn't seem "fair" that other people got away with doing "easy" tickets. People were basically writing tickets proposing what I saw as routine stuff that I had been doing with my Pack, Troop, and Crew for the past 10 years. However, after finishing my tickets, I must admit that they pushed me to become even further involved in scouts, especially at the district and council level. At the same time, I now realize that other leaders who were just starting out likely felt equally pushed by their tickets and became more involved in scouts (even if from my point of view they were too "easy"). So the fact that everyone has to do tickets that are personalized for them is a very good concept. Overall, it was a satisfactory experience, but just like I said above and as other have said, nowhere close to what I expected based on how much it over hyped. Even now when the Woodbadge thumpers run around trying to get new leaders to go, I take these new leaders aside and tell them that it is a decent course, but no rush, and take it when you are ready.
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    Is it OK to take Cubscouts rafting?

    Thank you for the quick reply. Yes I was looking at the age-appropriate guidelines, but you are right that the G2SS says no. I guess that answers my question, and we will wait until scouts BSA. And yes I know that just because my 9 year old daughter can do it, that doesn't mean that the cub scouts should be allowed to do it. I was just using that as an example to illustrate how "easy" the river is. My family does a ton of stuff that any reasonable person would consider totally safe, but that is not allowed in cub scouts (and sometimes even not allowed in scouts BSA). Interesting perspective on peer pressure. We already did our swim checks, and we made it abundantly clear that anyone (both scouts and adults) who do not pass the test as a "swimmer" will not be allowed to operation a boat (except where allowed in the G2SS). We also did the swim tests early enough to give time for people with marginal swimming abilities to practice and improve so that they can try the test again before our summer aquatics activities. Also, we are well aware of what appropriate flow rates for rafting the river are and where to check online for the current and foretasted flows.
  5. I am seeking some clarification if we are allowed to take Cubscouts on a Rafting trip down a river. According to the age-appropriate guidelines, it is ok to take them rafting on "gently flowing water". I guess that it all comes down to: what is the BSA definition of "gently flowing water"? The river that we are planning to run is mostly Class I with half a dozen class II- features that can be easily avoided by running river right or river left. The overall gradient is 4 fpm. Other details that are important: Safety Afloat guidelines will be strictly followed All participants are classified as swimmers (have passed the BSA swimmer test). The trip is self guided, but each raft is guided by an adult with experience guiding rafts as well as other boats on much more difficult rivers. Rafts/PDFs/Paddles are rented from a commercial rafting company. The river is near an urban area, cell phone coverage is excellent, and the river is frequently patrolled by the Ranger (If needed, EMT services would be there in 5 minutes). All adults have taken Safety Afloat training. Several leaders have taken more advanced BSA aquatics training such as Paddle Craft Safety and/or Swimming & Water Rescue. Several leaders have taken First Aid and CPR training. One leader is a YMCA lifeguard. To me it seems like our plan for this trip is already total overkill as far as safety is concerned. Outside of scouts, my 9 year old Webelo Scout runs the river in a solo kayak all the time. And I frequently see people on the river in an inner tube without even a paddle or a PFD (I know not a good idea...but just to illustrate how "easy" the river is).
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    Who gets the money?

    Ya I am sure that giving the money directly to the food bank is way more efficient. But for us, it is more a way to show support for the store that lets us take up part of their parking lot for free (even if it is a Walmart).
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    Who gets the money?

    Out local Walmart lets us setup our homebase in their parking lot. So if we get any money donations, we buy caned food from the Walmart and then add those to the food that we collected.
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    Youth Protection Clarification Question

    Thank you for the replies. I like the merit badge counselor idea. This brings me another question. What about a Lion Den? Every scout is there with their adult partner (most of whom have taken YP), and there is one fully trained Den Leader. This setup is clearly a violation because "A Lion or Tiger adult partner is not considered a registered leader for meeting two-deep leadership requirements". We could get one of the adult partners to register as a merit badge counselor to fulfill youth protection requirements?
  9. Lets say a patrol leader wants to have a patrol meeting at his house. The patrol's fully trained ASM adviser will be there as well as the patrol leader's mother. The patrol leader's mother has taken youth protection, but she is not a registered member of the BSA. This is a youth protection violation right? Now lets say that nothing changes, expect that the patrol leader's mother pays national $33 to become a committee member. Now this is perfectly ok? I just want to insure that I am understanding how the rules work correctly. (yes that is a snarky tone that you detect in my question)
  10. Yes, we hold a council event once a year at the local community college where offer scouts the chances to work on Nova awards or STEM related merit badges. Also what really helped to promote the program was just having STEM committee members visit packs and troops in their local area. They bring all sorts of fun STEM gadgets and demonstrations with them. The packs especially really love this.
  11. I attended woodbadge out of council. My council had no STEM program when I went to woodbadge, and in fact, I did not even know that STEM in scouts was a thing. However, at woodbadge, they pushed STEM really hard. It inspired me for one of my tickets to started up a STEM program in my council. For the first year, STEM committee members from out of council came over helped me run successful council STEM events. They also helped me recruit interested adults in my council to serve on our newly formed STEM committee. Now 4 years later we are functioning completely on our own, holding several council wide STEM events each year, and have two dozen active super nova mentors. If I attended woodbage within my own council, I probably still would not even know that STEM existed in scouts, and I certainly could have never accomplished my ticket without the support from experienced STEM scouters from out of council.
  12. A good resource that people have mentioned to help plan mixed-ranked den meetings is https://cubscoutideas.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Cub-Scout-Connections-12-24-2017.pdf. But just looking at that resource in any detail illustrates how there is actually very little overlap in requirements between adjacent ranks. Some examples are how Bears have cooking requirements and building requirements and wolves don't. Whereas wolves have fitness and navigation requirements and bears don't. Even where things appear to overlap, if you look at the requirements closely, they don't. Like on knots, wolves learn the square knot, bears learn two half hitches, and webelos learn the bowline. The issue then becomes what to do at Den meetings? Dens can started the year by working on the few requirements that can be combined (like hiking or skits). However, once you get to the point where all that is left is to work on requirements where there is no overlap what do you do? Splitting into groups at Den meetings, having each rank rank work on their own set of requirements, is one option. But that plan often results in group sizes that can be as small as a single scout (which is why they were combined in the first place), it requires way more leaders (one leader for each group), and it negatively effects the feeling of unity within the Den. Another option is to just have everyone in the Den do all the same activities. The issue with that plan is that it greatly hurts advancement, since only scouts at one rank will be completing requirements at each activity. It can be depressing to the scouts when they see the scouts in single-ranked Dens earning twice as many awards at pack meetings. Also you run into cases where some activities are not age-appropriate for the younger part of the mixed den, like how tigers and wolves can't work on whiting chip. Tonight at round table we had this discussion, specially in relationship to girl dens in coed packs. Most packs have the problem that there are not enough girls to form single-ranked dens, so following BSA guidelines, they formed mixed-ranked Dens of the same gender. However, pretty much everyone that tried the mixed-ranked sens came to the same conclusion that mixed-ranked dens don't work for the reasons that I mentioned above. Essentially everyone's attitude was "to hell with BSA policy", next year we are having single-ranked coed Dens.
  13. I am just curious as it is difficult to research the stances of all of the different religions and denominations. For what research that I have done: The LDS church has said basically flat out said that it won't allow girls in any units that it sponsors. Baptists (who were totally against the homosexuality changes - not allowing any of their sponsored units to have homosexual leaders or scouts), seem to be taking a much more neutral (almost positve?) stance on the girl issue. They are leaving it up to their individual churches to decide with the following statement - "It's simply another opportunity to reach people. Churches have the option to not go that way, stay with what they're doing or to include the girls." Does anyone know the stances of other major religious groups?
  14. I sit on my district's advancement committee. Typically the "hard" questions that I like to ask are to determine how the scout feels about various aspects of the scouting program or changes to the program. However, this issue is controversial enough, that maybe it wouldn't be good to bring it up at a board of review. Any thoughts?
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    Camping By the River - LNT Toilet

    When in doubt, ask the local land manager how they would like you to dispose of waste.