walk in the woods

Colorado councils merging ahead of LDS departure. Looks like the entire western half of CO only had a few thousand scouts. http://www.wccbsa.org/about/counciloverview

That term can be used to suggest something unethical or something helpful. Not sure how Jameson76 intended it, I'll take him at his word, but it's clear what you inferred from the comment.

You might be correct in your interpretation of the G2A, but, the BSA also published Implementation Details for First-Time Members Entering Scouts BSA that includes the following: The intent seems pretty clear. So, we had a standard G2A, then we made an exception because of extraordinary circumstances, then the rules for the exception became inconvenient for one particularly high-profile girl, so now we're arguing that we should apply a broad interpretation of the original standard in this one particular case because she's an exception to the exception to the standard? Where exa

I think that's the crux of the issue for me. We were told nothing was going to change program-wise and we have well documented rules for advancement. We were told no prior credit would be given. Then the exceptions started. Extensions for Eagle, waving the FC requirement for girls for the WSJ, etc. In this case the rules are being folded, spindled, and mutilated for one high-profile scout. It is embarrassing.

Safe journeys @Oldscout448

If you look at my first post I quoted a reference to the earlier camporee thread. The thread was expanded by others, I just commented on the logic.

Well if we're falling back on a scout is trustworthy do we not owe the same benefit to those scouters reporting shenanigans?

You're making the same generalization error based on your experience, just in the opposite direction. Unless you've sampled a statistically significant portion of the entire scouting nation to back your claim that is.

Your first statement is an impossible standard to meet. I'm an old straight white guy. Some significant portion of the population will be offended by my breathing. Your second series of examples are a non-sequitor. All the actions you mentioned show intention by one person to interrupt/disrupt the second person's experience. Intention is the key. Using a yellow tent has no intention to disturb. Beyond that, you started this discussion with an indirect ad hominem attack on anybody who might disagree by using words like clowns, garish, and serious. If you were serious about i

And the Blazing Saddles Campfire Scene on a loop!

You don't have July 4th on the calendar in the UK? Does it go straight from 3 to 5? Foil packs have been a favorite of some of the boys I've worked with if you're going for limited utensils. Slathering a roast of some sort in mustard and rock salt until fully covered, then set it on and bury it under coals. Makes a nice roast in a fairly short amount of time. Be sure to knock the crust off with the back of a knife before eating. But mostly, left to themselves, the boys would choose burgers and or sausage/hot dogs on a skewer.

The Capulin Volcano National Monument is kind of an interesting place if you're into geology at all. It's east of Raton a bit, has some hiking and such. Not sure about camping.

1. @rickmay you ask a lot of questions about regulations for a guy with an LP logo avatar B. If Sydney Ireland can wear an ERANOW button and unearned rank patch on her uniform at the State of the Union address without repercussion, the rules are meaningless. 4. Fly your freak flag proudly! You'll bang into some uniform police, tell them to go away.

Agreed. You'd know much better than me but I guess my point is once bankruptcy is declared it might be very difficult to predict what the ultimate settlement looks like and it might go far beyond just finances.

When GM declared bankruptcy a decade back, the pre-packaged deal formed a new company that purchased the GM name, Chevrolet, GMC, Cadillac brands, a bunch of factories and facilities, and some financial obligations. A month after the filing the new company started business as General Motors and the old GM took whatever was left and ground through the process. If the BSA is looking for a way to significantly restructure the organization it's not out of the question I suppose. I think @gpurlee hits at the core of the issue. How will this process affect COs and recruiting on the ground.

Not the GSUSA, but, an interesting take on the general topic, https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/houston-high-school-s-new-dress-code-takes-aim-parents-n998041

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/lawyer-demands-boy-scouts-open-perversion-files-n997786 as it popped up in my Google news feed today.

I've sat on many. In most cases my experience was the adults in the room were so focused on the minutia of the project workbook that they totally missed the kid sitting in front of them. I've even seen an adult scouring the pictures in a project workbook looking for G2SS violations. While I agree the project could be a good starting point for a discussion my experience is it is used as the only point for discussion. I'm way more interested in hearing about the kid's entire scouting experience rather than the last two months of it. I'd argue the workbook provides way too many hoops

This Article discussing the value of free play is interesting (at least to me). I can't decide if it's a benefit or challenge to Scouting.

Anybody remember Kudu's (I think that his ID) website? I bet the original scout law is on there somewhere.

Maybe. Not every kid is going to fit into a waterfall project management scheme with equal ease. What if the kid is more at home with an agile style of project work? If that's the case then I would expect a "poor" project workbook. Not because the kid did anything wrong, it just doesn't fit his way of thinking. I'd also argue there are way better tools that might be more applicable to youth today. Why fill out a PDF (how 90s) when there are online project management tools available?

I've never been involved with GSUSA so take this with an appropriate serving of salt, but, I think this article aligns directly with the GSUSA brand. Consciously or not, the GSUSA seems to be aligned with at least some of third-wave feminist thought. Things like dress codes are seen as artifacts of male hierarchical power structures that have to be torn down, without any critical thought into why the structure exists. To be fair, the article in the OP was more balanced than that, but the alignment of the organization seems clear to me from the outside. Like most social experiments we won't

If by streamline you mean eliminate most of it then yes, I'm onboard! I'm on record in another thread as advocating for the elimination of the project workbook thing. The application itself should absolutely be online. Council's should commit to reviewing all Eagle applications within say 5 business days of their submission. The reality is the first review should probably be automated with nearly immediate feedback to the submitting person of any errors noted, largely eliminating the need for a person at council to review other than say yep, it passed the check.

So the existence of the Ineligible Volunteer files is old news. This feels like a couple of ambulance chasers trying to get law suits into the courts before the BSA files for bankruptcy.

So the MB number is probably easy enough to understand. What exactly does it mean for advancement to go up? Is that just number of rank advancements earned? If so it wouldn't be too hard to imagine losing a bunch of 15 - 17 year olds who were already Star/Life/Eagle, but having enough new scouts earning Scout (now a rank), plus T2F during the year.