johnsch322

Sexual Abuse of Boys: A Study of the Long-Term Psychological Effects (From The Sexually Abused Male: Prevalence, Im Child Abuse—A History | Encyclopedia.com Federal Legislation against Child Abuse In 1974 Congress passed the Child Abuse Prevention and Treatment Act (CAPTA; Public Law 93-247). The law stated: [Child abuse and neglect refer to] the physical or mental injury, sexual abuse, negligent treatment or maltreatment of a child under age eighteen, or the age specified by the child protection law of the state in question, by a person who is responsible for the child's welf

@fred8033you were not part of the group that I was commenting on. I believe in your willingness to look at everything from a broad perspective and your sincerity. My apologies if you felt this was directed to you.

There are those on this forum that are skeptics when it comes to facts. They tell us that the IV files are full of innuendo and hearsay and that the info should have never been published. I bet dollars to donuts that the skeptics never read the files or choose to disregard what their own organization kept files on.

Delays only take trust money that would come from BSA National which is not the largest component. Survivors at some point of time (to be determined) will still get paid (amount to be determined).

Nor did anyone within the BSA advise you to sue. The BSA knew that you could since they had a legal team and insurance coverage in case you did. Of course if you or your parents were aware of that and took that path it would have cost the BSA money (increased insurance and legal costs and possibly less in donations).You could have used that money for counseling, medical issues and other things that arose from your CSA. Also this being the late 90's when you were molested the effects of the molestation were well known at the time so no one can say it was how things were.

One major thing I can't get out of my mind is what was ever done for the victims? I have not found any evidence of the BSA extending a helping hand to those who were damaged while in the care of the BSA. Does anyone have any knowledge of what the policy to victims were?

You are correct. Not everyone was covering up crimes or hiding knowledge in confidential files. CSA was illegal, immoral and was punishable in the 40's, 50's, 60's 70's and up. Many men including scouters went to prison for CSA. The IV files have clippings and arrest reports of such scouters. After reading many files what impression I have is that if the parents went to the police first there was a higher probability of arrest and conviction vs if parents went to BSA authorities first.

In one letter it mentions no newspaper publicity, In another it says committee worked hard to keep away publicity for victims and BSA. from the tone I would say that the committee (BSA) did not want the publicity. PS page 4 is missing...I wonder what that mentioned. Something else is also curious there are three perpetrators mentioned.

I did not read this in the IV files, but you piqued my curiosity and read a couple that were not my own. I came across this gem and I quote from Scout Executive James E Houck "From the date this was found out, there has been no contact made by the three men to the boys to my knowledge. The committee worked hard to overcome this situation and to keep it from getting to much publicity both for the boys and for scouting. They were able to get the services of a State Trooper, John Simms, who obtained the rank of Eagle" I may not be the smartest man but the fact that a committee worked ha

It seems I read from someone posting that once an incident from a local council was reported to National that all records of the incident were to be destroyed (including correspondence) at the local level. Tried to find the post does anyone know if this was true?

The one consistent theme that I have seen from the BSA is the notion that there is nothing to see here, deflect, deny and minimize. Certain aspects of the above can also be seen thru the bankruptcy and from current members.

I am amazed that no one talked to you. I also was not asked and one of my perpetrators was in the IV files and was suspected of having 11 plus victims.

There was a court order and they fought it all the way to the Oregon Supreme Court. I am not a lawyer either.

Yes it is sad that the BSA did what they did (concealment). I am glad you agree with me @skeptic

The BSA is in the mess that they are because of rampant Child Sex Abuse that they kept away from the public i.e. withheld/concealed. Only two things could have kept BSA from this issue, 1. no CSA (not probable) 2 not concealing the records. It is not the lawyers fault, the parents fault nor the survivors fault. Nor was it was poor judgement in the society of the day it happened (concealment) and no one is trying to revision history except those who constantly float the blame to others or to a society at whole.

If it was not concealment than why did it take an order from the Oregon State Supreme Court to make the IV files available to those outside of the BSA?

The anger I feel as a survivor is not hatred, but my anger is at various people (my perpetrators') the organization that recruited my perpetrators knew there was a good chance I had been abused (BSA) and chose not to offer help, the bankruptcy itself where it seems certain entities are downplaying the value of my claim. I honestly feel more hate is directed at myself and my fellow survivors from active BSA adults who want to mitigate what happened and are worried more about what assets the BSA and LC's may have post bankruptcy then they care about what happened. I feel that there mu

Yes you are correct. This is the fathers words. Something that is very, very serious and involves inappropriate behavior and making threatening statements would seem to be something the BSA would want the police or local authority outside of BSA to be looking into. As a parent I would want law enforcement involved weather my child was the accuser or the accused.

Shouldn't the inappropriate behavior and making threatening statements be reported to the police?

Obscure word but I did look it up...cause and effect. 18 months ago the bankruptcy was filed but there wasn't a tremendous amount of knowledge outside of the scouting community who were actually aware. I believe this has worked in BSA and the insurers favor.

It is a shame these documentaries did not come out 18 months ago. It may have put more public awareness and helped survivors in the bankruptcy settlements.

The number of abused in BSA could even be higher than 82,000. If you were abused and are now mentally incapacitated, dead, or for some personal reason did not want to be part of the case then you are not a claimant. I will give that some of the claims are bogus but someone who constantly calls for balance to not mention these facts is very one sided. How do you know this? My case has been vetted and other cases from survivors within my network have been vetted. Just because a claim has not been vetted does not make it untrue. There is nothing surprising that survi

Not sure of your profession, but you do know you are debating with lawyers (myself not included) don't you?

Outright owned.

I was not advocating for a BSA National Chapter 7 only trying to shed light on the "nobody gets nothing" idea.