johnsch322

I think we all do!!

Bribe?

Does anyone expect any big surprises coming up in the next week or so in the confirmation and if you do what do you think they are?

I can't get no

First one needs to look at the authors disclosure : [Full disclosure: our son was an Eagle Scout. He went through Cub Scouts, then Boy Scouts, in Maryland before finishing his Eagle Scout project (planning and executing a central plaza with flagpole at a school for disabled children in Gaithersburg) and in the process encountered over a dozen scout leaders. All were exemplary human beings. I never heard of any Scout abused in any way. He is most certainly biased especially when he states: But since the bankruptcy, these 1700-odd claims (which already seemed like a lot to me) Everyone needs to remember that Child Sexual Abuse (especially males) victims never tell anyone about what happened to them and if they do it is later in life. Second it was the BSA who entered the Bankruptcy voluntarily it must have been known to their lawyers what the ramifications of doing so could be. Third I refuse to be left in the mud. I believe that by the time this is all over (several years from now) we will find satisfaction. The initial value of the settlement was 1.1 Billion I believe and when it gets shot down by the appeals court how big will the settlement grow to? All thanks to those ":oily legal gurus".

And they also have veto in any additional settlements with third parties and I would expect that would include any new settlement with Hartford, Century and the LDS.

Somehow, I feel like the TCC has called the other party's bluff. they got nowhere in getting additional money so in return for their endorsement of the plan they were able to get better youth protection and TDP. Are they betting that more money will have to be put on the table to get the plan confirmed and thru the appeals process?

The one group that must be most displeased with the latest voting results will be the insurance companies, LC's and CO's. Everyone who was mediating on the side of survivors was hamstrung by the bad deal that BSA made with Hartford and that was compounded by the Century and LDS deals. No matter what they say publicly the insurance company's need this to go away.

I love the author!!

For those of you who are confused about how survivors feel about paying out of the settlement pot, please read the following: 2bb5e1b8-2ed8-427f-afab-a5c44f8d373a_9128.pdf (omniagentsolutions.com) Also how we feel about lawyers who can only tell us how hard they work!!

Is there a mistake in your past you want forgiveness for?

As long as there are those who downplay what happened There will never be enough of this.

It is a comment from a former BSA National insider. Why would you cast aspersions on MJ? Surely he was higher up the knowledge chain then yourself. He was laid off from a position of Youth Protection and not replaced by anyone. He is an acknowledged expert in his field. What more do you need?

If as much effort was made to combat the issue as was made to hide the danger, we may not be having this conversation. This from Michael Johnson former Youth Protection Director of the BSA "In my professional opinion, the truth is clear: no child is safe in Scouts BSA programs. The institution, as it stands today, continues to be a HIGH-RISK1 organization for child sexual abuse, due to the accessibility and opportunity the program presents to a range of sex offenders. Scouts BSA’s continued disregard for needed safety reforms, the organization’s long- established business and program model, and decades-long lack of transparency (at the highest level of the organization) with parents, experts, and courts. Throughout my time at Scouts BSA, I witnessed decisions being made that showed the top priority of the organization was not the safety of children, but the preservation of the reputation and brand of the institution and its top sponsoring organizations"

Unfortunately, some posters see us as greedy and looking for more than our pain has been valued in similar cases.

Soo it is perfectly OK if you depict survivors as Peanuts characters looking for a handout but calling the perversion files as they are known today wrong? I would bet donuts for dollars you don't give an answer.

I am a little confused by what you are saying is the "right side". James E West was the Chief Scout Executive from 1911 to 1943 and would have definitely known of the creation of the "perversion files" and it was under his direction that everything was to be kept hidden. Soo what is the "right side" he would be on?

Fred I have always felt your sincerity in your posts.

The system failed the victims. I am a victim of John L Brady and I was never asked about my abuse. If I had been asked I would have told them about his accomplice. How many more times did his accomplice victimize children. How would my life had turned out if I had been asked and then been offered therapy. I honestly believe that the BSA had a keep it quiet policy and that greatly contributed to the amount of CSA that was going on.

You can reply and the replies to you should be civil. That is what it should be and I know that at times my own emotions get the better of me. The unfortunate fact in all of this is Child Sexual Abuse has been a part of scouting for a very long time. The survivors who are posting were scouters so these posts are relevant to the forum. Because of the bankruptcy a lot of old wounds have been reopened and some of us are less equipped to handle the pain. For me personally it is posters who try to whitewash with wide brushes. For others it could be something else. It may be hard for those whose scouting experience was nothing but good times and it may seem like you are under constant assault from survivors who are trying to deal with issues arising from their scouting experience but I think there will come a time we won’t need this forum to handle our broken psyche. Hopefully we won’t have succumbed to our pain.

I think what should be noted here is that John L Brady was able to molest and rape 11 plus boys in a short period of time. As far as the families go no one except themselves knows what pressure was put on them to not prosecute from the BSA. And I also know that he had an accomplice which would have come out if every boy was interviewed to find out if they also had been molested and raped. And this is just one perpetrator. I know this firsthand it is not supposition or speculation. By not following thru properly and protecting youth, not pushing for punishment a case could easily be made that they purposefully allowed it. On top of that they purposefully withheld the files that they had and it took the Oregon to compel them to release some of those files.

I find you are as far from a Doofus Magoo as one could be.

There definitely is no clearcut answers to anything you have just brought up. My attorneys are asking for a yes vote and their reasoning sounds like what the coalition was saying 6 months ago.

I take no offense. For myself I call them like I see them. I am not always correct. The reason I brought up Purdue Pharma and the Sacklers is the third party releases. If the plan is confirmed it appears the DOJ will challenge this upon appeal. So if that happens will the LC’s CO’s and most importantly the insurance companies up their settlement offers?

All else aside I think we should all keep in mind that this settlement is a long way from being done. It has to go thru confirmation and most importantly the appeals process. Just look at Purdue Pharma the Sacklers have offered up an additional 1 Billion dollars.