johnsch322

56 years ago, I was the victim of 2 BSA personnel who had decided to have unlawful sex with me (yes it was a crime 56 years ago). Over the past couple of days, myself and 10's of thousands of other survivors are being called dishonest for wanting to be paid monetary damages by another person who claims to be in a BSA leadership position. From another BSA leader I get if they pay claimants, we put current kids at risk. And this from one more BSA leader. We are not "squeezing blood out of a turnip". BSA made a conscious decision to enter bankruptcy and by doing so deprived myself from pursuing my case thru state court where the outcome would have probably been more than I get out of the bankruptcy (my case has been filed in California courts in case the bankruptcy fails).

So with all that has been discussed the statement of survivors wanting to be compensated beyond expenses for pain and suffering does that make us dishonest?

BSA sets their pricing based on expense. The payments to survivors is a one time payment for the most part (land, paintings, oil rights). It would be disingenuous to blame increases on survivors as you have not mentioned inflation. Legal costs are the cost of going into bankruptcy. BSA chose that route and underestimated the amount of boys who had been molested (and yes some of these claims are fake). The increase in insurance costs cannot just be attributable to just the survivors. I am sure that the insurance companies have done more actuary studies as to what they will be paying out in the future for CSA cases.

As I have previously stated the majority of the money in the settlement is from insurance companies. the BSA took out those policies in case of claims against the BSA. Here is the crux of the liability. The BSA chose not to go thru a proper vetting process and there was not proper supervision of these employees and or volunteers the courts have decided that BSA has a responsibility to pay for damages. The driver of the Kia was not an employee of theirs on company business but if he had been you would have received money from them. Was the state supposed to lock the driver away for life? He did do 3 years. Once again if the driver had been an employee of a company who made alcohol and was on company business you would have received a substantial settlement. My two abusers were volunteers who were on BSA business (a campout). You can thank @skeptic for what he invoked.

I am not sure where this happened, but you should have gotten money for pain and suffering. Where you unaware of this? Did you have a lawyer? Did the drunk driver have insurance coverage? If he had no coverage and you had no uninsured motorist or if your uninsured motorist was only enough to cover the motorcycle that may be why you received nothing else. The bulk of the money in the BSA settlement (if the chapter 11 succeeds is from the insurance carriers). BSA National and locals will emerge largely intact and will be sent on their way.

So if I am correct then you agree that I should receive zero dollars for my abuse since I did not incur any financial cost. And exactly how are current kids paying me and how does that put them at risk?

I agree with you....however my response to @skeptic was over his statement of thinking it is dishonest to sue for more than expenses. With this line of belief I would be entitled to nothing for being raped. I have had no direct costs that I have had to pay. My insurance has covered my therapy and my meds, but I have had a lifetime of pain and suffering. Does that sound fair? Even today I am going to be doing a new REM therapy to try to alleviate my trigger points and this is 53 years after I was assaulted,

So now you are calling victims dishonest? You think there should be no dollar amount tied to pain and suffering? Shame on you.

I don’t think it’s tricky. The money paid out was because BSA chose to go into bankruptcy. If bankruptcy was not the choice of BSA then that money would not have been spent in that matter. I believe @skeptic has made it clear in all his posts that it is the claimant’s lawyers who he considers “vultures etc”.

Not one lawyer representing a claimant in the bankruptcy (outside of the TCC lawyers) has received a dime as of now. If you know one, name them and then your stance may have some validity.

I read this but I would add one additional thing, have any therapy offered for free to the bullying victim. Not all parents have this covered in their insurance plans and it is costly. BSA could buy a blanket policy to cover this expense.

In an email from my lawyers today I was informed that in their opinion it will take more than a year before appeals are exhausted. Hartford and Century do not have to put money into the settlement trust until after the appeal process however the claims review process will be taking place during this time.

The issues that BSA faced were caused by cover ups, secret files and the want to keep everything that was happening covered up to not damage BSA when fundraising. It was not caused by lawyers representing claimants. So you are saying that Child Sexual Abuse is just part of the larger human and race and compensating victims/survivors for the hell that they went thru and live with is ridiculous? So, if the average payout to a BSA survivor of CSA ends up at $30,000 each that is a ridiculous amount? You are correct about most of the rest of the world such as India where there are gang rapes of women and children and if you are a perpetrator you might have to spend a night in jail or the Middle East where a man raping a boy is basically ignored. Or how about Iran where women are jailed and then raped. My question to you is did you learn nothing over the course of the last 3 years? If you have not, then you should really reflect.

They are just delaying the inevitable. Money is not really the issue with them except that the longer they hold onto their money the more they will make.

Advance funding for getting settlement trust started. a8b7ab66-3106-4bdc-ad71-9e2a56280983_11010.pdf (omniagentsolutions.com)

Thank you.

And they were very segregated.

Was that Black or White Africans?

I sure hope they do not get paid for anything other than client representation. Nothing extra!!

I do not think that is exactly true. I think the fact that there has not been anything to discuss is what has kept survivors from posting.

As this long saga plays out my attorney let me know that my case has been filed in California State Court. Yes, I know that there will be a stay on it because of the bankruptcy but still I feel better having it filed.

You seem to be suggesting that individual or victims' rights to sue should be curtailed and greater protections be given to institutions such as the BSA from being sued based on the fact that the BSA is not the only organization that has a CSA issue. Not denying the fact that abuse should not have happened is not a defense against trying to minimalize the scope of the abuse, amount of suffering, and how hard BSA has fought survivors to be able to recover damages. The same legal system that you claim is bad to BSA is being and has been used by BSA to avoid fair compensation to survivors.

In the long wait how is everyone holding up?

I hope all is well with you. Technology is amazing and embracing it is the only way to move forward.

Simple answer is that the BSA did not want to pay for it and have the process drawn out longer. Wanting vetting was an insurance ploy so that they could keep their money in their investments for a longer period of time.