johnsch322

But then for many blaming the survivors of abuse wanting to be fairly compensated is an easy way out for their explanation of all that is wrong in the BSA.

Yes, but the first two wrongs means that the organization BSA put themselves in a position of having to pay for what happened. All of the property, Rockwell paintings, gas rights and insurance policies etc. etc. was acquired prior to entering bankruptcy. Very little of the settlement is coming from promissory notes. In fact, future or present BSA members hopefully will gain from what has come out of the settlement which is enhanced YPT. I believe the rise in fees is not because of the settlement but more because of loss of membership. Less members mean loss of revenue and increase of fee

In my opinion the two wrongs were first the CSA itself and the second was the cover up by the BSA. The third has been the BSA electing to enter bankruptcy which took away most of the legal rights of the survivors.

When all else fails and you can't really write a good response use the down vote or the sad face.

If you find that the cost of belonging to an organization who has to pay for their past too expensive you can always quit.

If the first wrong was the CSA, what was the second?

I had to present my drivers license to get access into my daughters high school.

you are correct not everything may show and for that reason every possible avenue of investigation should be used.

You can fake ID and Social Security number but I have not heard of anyone faking fingerprints. If you are going to do a thorough background check I would think that fingerprinting and running them thru the FBI database would be mandatory.

Fingerprinting and running them thru databases would seem to be a must do. Can you imagine the next lawsuit (outside of the bankruptcy) when a lawyer says to a jury that the BSA says that they are doing everything possible to keep children safe yet they don’t do fingerprinting.

Just curious, did they run your fingerprints thru any data base or even ask for your fingerprints?

I ask people for their Drivers License and copy them every day as part of my job in the auto industry. It is required under red flag laws and i must even scrutinize them to make sure the DL is valid and that the person looks like the picture. This is for fraud protection to make sure that the person is who they say they are when applying for credit and even if paying cash for a vehicle. If no ID is required to be a volunteer or scout leader, then I see where this could be major issue.

Your opinions are always welcome and looked forward to.

I watched Scouts Honour a couple of days ago. Took me a little while to get up the courage since I wasn't sure about any triggers. In my opinion it was well done and very factual. Michael Johnson presented his opinion very eloquently and was quite believable and Steve McGowan the ex-counsel of the BSA was able to give what has become the old guard BSA talking points. I recommend everyone to watch it.

I made that post because it was the first time, I read it and I thought it was interesting from both sides of the coin. Using the number 90,000 claimants may not be accurate but neither is 80,000 there are more than 82,000. I guess PBS is wrong also. The Wikipedia was about BSA Sex abuse cases and what the BSA has done to try to curb the amount of abuse, not so much centered on the bankruptcy itself. I would say it is a general overview. I saw no need to pick out anything within it to attack any point of view.

If anyone here has not read the Wikipedia page on Boy Scout sexual abuse cases than here is the link Boy Scouts of America sex abuse cases - Wikipedia Please read the whole page.

Yes @skeptic once again you are correct, and I guess from you feeling sad that you finally realize that the BSA created the perfect environment for pedophiles with their indoctrination to young boys to trust and obey what their Boy Scout Leaders said and did. And maybe now you can see that they covered up the amount of damage that the pedophiles did to young boys by not releasing the files that they had to the public. Because if it was known to the general public then maybe one parent would have not let their son join an organization that ultimately scarred them for life.

You are correct, the BSA used language in their own publications that put scout leaders as someone who could be trusted in everything, and little boy scouts should follow everything that that scout leader should say or do. So, when a scout leader was finished with his dirty little deed, he would say to the little boy scout tell no one not even your parents. The little boy scout would do exactly what he read in his handbook which once again was trust your scout leader because "he likes boys and wants them to become real men" Exactly an environment that a pedophile would thrive in. And the BSA

I was born in 54 and never heard those words in a Disney movie. Please enlighten me as to which one it was. I was never taught about a "trusty grocery" and was once at the age of 5 praised by a CHP officer for not getting into his car when he told me, my sister and a friend he would drive us home when we were walking down old 395 by March AFB. I am pretty sure Mr. Science only taught us science and said believe in the science. Stranger Danger campaigns and warning started in the early 1960's when people started to get TV's and the news started reporting about horrific things that were hap

After reading all of this I can only imagine how scoutmasters etc. could feel as if they were supreme beings. It is so cult like. I bet that old time scouters in their 70's and 80's also feel the same way, that only they know what was right or wrong after being indoctrinated with words such these.

So why is it that you feel that the BSA should not be held as accountable as the Catholic Church and other organizations which has had to pay out billions to victims of child abuse which happened at the same time as BSA Child Sexual Abuse? Why do you blame parents, law enforcement, lawyers, society norms etc etc and not just say BSA was wrong for their cover ups and strong arming of parents not to prosecute and then burying any reports that they archives until the Oregon Supreme Court ordered the files to be released.

All of the views you have written over the past few years speaks volumes about the darkness of your heart.

Dear @skeptic the only SAD about all of this is that you and so many of the entrenched BSA care so little about and try so hard to downplay what transpired within the BSA for so many years. You have tried to divert away what actually happened by blaming lawyers, parents, the police and victims without really acknowledging that survivors deserve every penny that they may get.

56 years ago, I was the victim of 2 BSA personnel who had decided to have unlawful sex with me (yes it was a crime 56 years ago). Over the past couple of days, myself and 10's of thousands of other survivors are being called dishonest for wanting to be paid monetary damages by another person who claims to be in a BSA leadership position. From another BSA leader I get if they pay claimants, we put current kids at risk. And this from one more BSA leader. We are not "squeezing blood out of a turnip". BSA made a conscious decision to enter bankruptcy and by doing so

So with all that has been discussed the statement of survivors wanting to be compensated beyond expenses for pain and suffering does that make us dishonest?