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Everything posted by Treflienne

  1. I don't know what council that was, and whether or not they were following its rules. But in my GSUSA council we are required to have a lifeguard on duty for any time we take the girl scouts swimming.
  2. It's only six months till girls in Scouts BSA. Will you be ready to start up a girls' troop in February? I know that @AVTech is planning to be scoutmaster for his daughter's troop. I know the @Hawkin's daughter is already planning her patrol name and patch. @Hedgehog was talking about a linked troop. My daughter is eager to start as well. So, for any of you planning to be associated with a girls' Scouts BSA troop, how close are you to ready? Do you have the necessary five girls already planning to join as soon as possible? How are you planning to recruit more girls? Do you have a scoutmaster and an ASM, at least one of which is a female-over-twenty-one-who-is-willing-to-go-camping? (Willing to go backcountry camping as well as frontcountry camping? ) Do you have a chartered organization lined up? Is the CO of the local boy's troop willing to sponsor a girls troop? opposed? undecided? Or have you found a different institution willing to be CO of the girls troop? Is the local boy's troop willing to share a troop committee with the girls troop? opposed? undecided? If being a linked troop is not an option for you, do you have several troop committee members lined up?
  3. I'm new to BSA. But in other organizations I have volunteered in (church children's programs, stuff at the school, girl scouts, etc) volunteers typically sign up for the school year, not in perpetuity. Middle of the summer is the natural time to re-evaluate one's involvement. Does one want to do the same thing? Switch to a new role (more or less intense)? Volunteer with a different organizaton? Even scale back on volunteering to devote more time to other aspects of life? Don't be embarassed by changing roles. People do it all the time. And don't think of changing roles as quitting, think of it as finding the place you fit best.
  4. My experience has been with GUSUA badges/patches. I always told the girls to sew on the patches. If you iron them on they very quickly fall off, even when the girls wear the vests/sashes infrequently.
  5. Hand sew any patch that you think you might someday move or remove. Comes off without leaving all the marks that machine-sewing does. (Looks better, too.) Best way to hold the patch in place while sewing is with masking tape -- since straight pins don't do well with the thick plastic-backed patches.
  6. So how common is this at boy scout camp? I've always viewed (girl) scout camp as a good chance for kids to get away from technology for a week. Back in my childhood it was transistor radios that were the banned item. These days our local girl scout camp says "The following items are not allowed at camp and should be left at home: cell phones, radios, CD players, iPods or other MP3 players, handheld gaming devices, laptops, tablets, and other electronic devices, candy, gum, food, alcohol, illegal drugs, weapons, pets and animals. If found at camp, they will be confiscated."
  7. But who wants a water gun anyway? They are so wimpy. At my daughter's school's annual park outing the kids much prefer the water tubes (like a giant syringe) that send a large stream of water. And the kids who don't have those find it effective to fill a bucket with lake water and simply dump it over the other kids' heads.
  8. Just dropped my daughter off at girl scout camp yesterday. The camp has a number of two-wheel carts that the girls (who are grade 2 and up) use to haul their luggage from the parking lot up the hill to their units.
  9. My experience is in GSUSA where tagalongs are strictly discouraged. But still, sometimes the only way a mom can volunteer is if she can bring her younger child along. (And if she does not volunteer then there is no troop.) So if the only way you can get enough volunteers for a GSUSA troop (or perhaps for a cub scout den) is to have tagalongs, then you cope the best you can. As far as who to recruit for being the tagalong watcher: If there is a parent who always has a younger sibling with them at drop off and pick up, especially if the family lives far enough away that the parent doesn't go home during the meeting but instead hangs out at a nearby playground, then that parent would be a good one to recruit.
  10. My kindergarten Daisy Girl Scout troop had a similar issue. The other leader had a preschool daughter (too young to participate with the 5-6-year-olds) and our meetings were at a time of day when the dads were still at work. Our solution: recruit a third mom, who had a Daisy daughter and a 2-year-old daughter. This third mom came to every meeting and looked after the two younger siblings. (She typically brought somthing crafty for them to do. And they only occasionally joined in with the older girls when it was something they could do without being disruptive.) And after a couple of years, when the younger siblings were old enough not to need so much extra attention, this mom was willing to become a troop leader also. Of course, it may depend on the personalities of the particular preschoolers.
  11. Surely some of you in your childhood must have done what I did: Drag your radio-flyer wagon to the top of the hill. Climb in. Let gravity take you to the bottom. Hopefully you picked an appropriate hill. But used as a tool, rather than as a gravity-powered car, wagons seem quite harmless.
  12. According to the nbcnews article "Trained “playworkers” monitor the children, though they step in only if absolutely necessary — much like lifeguards." And according to https://govisland.com/things-to-do/activities/2018-playgroundnycs-yard "There are play:groundNYC playworkers in the Yard at all times." Not exactly free range.
  13. Correlation is not causation. Causation could flow in a different direction. The same families and communities that had the resources to provide ample educational opportunities for their girls may also have been the ones who had the resources (in money but especially in time) to get the girl scout troops organized.
  14. That's my concern. So far my daughter doesn't know of any other girls in our town wanting to join Scouts BSA. Maybe some will appear before February. Or maybe we'll need to join with nearby towns.
  15. "entirely in the hands of the adult leaders"? Actually no. If the majority of the girls in a troop don't want to camp, then they can vote down any camping plans, even if the adult leaders are willing to camp. (Happened to my daughter.) However I basically agree with shortridge. If the adults are unwilling to camp then the troop does not camp, no matter what the girls want.
  16. And some boys, even without dyslexia/dysgraphia, will decide that the goal is not worthwhile if too much writing is required. I've seen this in non-scout settings. If they are used to working with kids who write easily and like writing, they might not even be realizing that this would be viewed by some kids as an onerous extra requirement. You can educate them here. I've talked with school-teachers about somewhat similar issues in the past. Sometimes a special agreement was reached for just my child. At least once, because I raised the issue, the policy was changed for all three classrooms in that grade --- not becuase I ask for that, but because my conversation with the teacher helped the teacher realize that there was a problem. So I would recommend: educate as to why this is a problem. only ask for an accomodation for your son. If they fix it for everyone, great. If not, you have at least set precedent and can tell (privately) the parents of other struggling boys about this precedent so that they too can ask.
  17. I'd recommend that people with middle-school girls deciding between BSA and GSUSA might want to look at and compare the Boy Scout Handbook, with the Cadette Journeys Books: "Amaze", "Breathe", and "Media". (And also the Cadette Girls' Guide to Girl Scouting.) That will let them see the program materials that the troops have to work with. Of course, national program materials aren't everything. Enthusiastic and energetic local volunteers, and a group of like-minded girls, could work together to have a good scouting experience even if they don't like the official program materials. But they might just want to compare and pick the program that appeals to them most. For some girls it might be GSUSA. For some girls it might be BSA. But the national program materials from the two organizations are VERY VERY different.
  18. On scoutstuff.com it looks like there used to be a supplex nylon shirt that has been discontinued? Am I guessing right? ( https://www.scoutshop.org/new-uniforms/ladies-fit-supplex-nylon-ls-shirt-609302.html ) What is the story here? (I am completely new to BSA.)
  19. The Girl Scouts have gone down the path from practical uniform to (impractical) dress uniform to (today) no uniform at all. The early uniforms were sturdy cotton, in a color that did not show dirt, and with bloomers to wear under the skirts so that the girls could move freely without worrying about immodesty. (May not sound practical by today's standards, but was much better for active and outdoor activities than the then-fashionable clothes for girls.) The uniforms stayed in sturdy fabric through the 1940s. By the 1960's, they had changed to being dress uniforms. Still uniform in appearance, (and recognizably similar in appearance to earlier uniforms), but of lightweight fabric and much less practical for active and outdoor activities than what the girls would have normally been wearing as play clothes. In the 1970's GSUSA dropped the idea of a uniform having a uniform appearance. It was now mix and match. A junior girl scout could choose a forest green turtleneck OR a white (print) blouse, paired with shorts or trousers or a jumper, or with jumper over shorts, or with jumper over trousers. Every girl looked different. And totally unsuitable for active or outdoor use: fall down once and you had a gaping hole in the knee of the pants. By the time I was a senior girl scout (early 1980s) our uniforms looked nothing like scout uniforms. In fact, we were mistaken for being flight attendants! And the uniform was unsuitable for any active outdoor activity. My troop made our own "activity uniform". We could buy the plaid blouse material by the yard, and made for ourselves neckers (large, square neckers) and wore them. Ironically, we were more readily recognized as scouts/guides when wearing our completely unofficial neckers than when wearing our official uniform. (Part of that was that we were GSUSA but living in Europe.) And today? GSUSA has no uniforms for anyone grade 4 and higher. Just a vest OR a sash (no uniformity here). If one wants to look neat, (and few troops seem to encourage this) , one can wear the vest or sash with one's own white shirt and tan pants. Girl Scout troops are barely identifiable as such by clothing, and look really sloppy even when identifiable. And often they leave the vest/sashes behind when doing anything out-of-doors, because they are impractical. Having a scout uniform that is recognizable as a scout uniform is among the things about BSA that is appealing to my daughter. Sure hope BSA doesn't start walking down the path to no uniforms.
  20. Well, once upon a time, long long ago, Girl Scouts and Girl Guides did use the patrol system. Some of us remember it and value it. (Of course, the troop that I was in that implemented it best had two leaders who had both grown up in the Girl Guides (UK), not in GSUSA.)
  21. What about the girls who want a chance to join a "traditional conservative outdoor youth organization"? BSA, even now, fits that definition better than other options.
  22. “No justification of virtue will enable a man to be virtuous. Without the aid of trained emotions the intellect is powerless against the animal organism. I had sooner play cards against a man who was quite skeptical about ethics, but bred to believe that ‘a gentleman does not cheat’, than against an irreproachable moral philosopher who had been brought up among sharpers.” ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man We, as scout leaders / scouters can help out with the practical training, even if we need to leave the philosophical foundations of morality to the families and religious institutions.
  23. Many kids get sound moral teaching at home, or at a religious institution. For them, the scout law is merely re-inforcing what they should already be learning, and applying it in practical situations. It is for the minority of kids that don't get sound moral teaching at home or church (or synagogue or temple or school or . . .) that even the "95% of things we have in common" that they can get through scouting is much much better than nothing. These kids can benefit from learning "I will do my best to be honest and fair, friendly and helpful, considerate and caring . . ." (current GSUSA law) even if the scout law does not touch on sexual morality.
  24. I have no idea why they dropped the Golden Eaglet. But . . . The "First Class" award had recognition problems of its own. Back when it was the top Girl Scout award, you could get the reaction, from people familiar with boy scouts but unfamiliar with girl scouting, that it wasn't a very a high level award -- since they were, presumably, thinking of BSA where first class is followed by three higher ranks. Of course "Gold Award", at first, had the problem that no one had ever heard of it. And I don't think that it has fully overcome this problem.
  25. Did you notice in the "lifetime of leadership" video, one woman was labelled as "Celine Dion Girl Guide & Singer". The inclusivity is including other WAGGGS member countries.
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