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Treflienne

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  1. The lawsuit makes GSUSA look mean-spirited and lacking in confidence. Hardly a good way to convince wavering families to stick with GSUSA and not switch to BSA which, at least around here, seems to be very friendly and welcoming to girls.
  2. The girls who showed up at the Crystal Palace rally in 1909 called themselves "Girl Scouts". Then Baden-Powell thought up a different name "Guides" for the girls in the UK, and persuaded his sister to head up that organization. But the American organization for girls didn't accept the name "Guides", and instead called themselves "Girl Scouts". This name issue goes all the way back.
  3. But in Cananda and in the UK the WAGGGS member organization is called a varient of "guides", and those girls are not called "scouts". In the U.S. the WAGGGS member organization is called "Girl Scouts". We have a quite a different situation with names in this country.
  4. That matches what I have seen around here. If GSUSA changes to make the outdoors an integral part of their program, they will probably lose a lot of girls.
  5. While the "G.I.R.L." advertising push is relatively new, the girls-can-do-anything-including-in-fields-previously-offlimits-to-females emphasis of GSUSA has been around for a long time -- I can remember it going back to at least the 1980's. The ironic thing now is that their message now seems to be that it is great for girls to aspire to anything they desire, except joining the Boy Scouts.
  6. I would be utterly shocked if GSUSA were willing to change their name to Girl Guides. The name "Girl Guides" or "Guides" has, in my experience, very very little name recognition in the U.S. Our young Girl Scouts always seem surprised to learn that Girl Scouts in other countries are called "Guides". If GSUSA is worried about confusion over names with both GSUSA and BSA applying the word "scouts" to girls in this country, then they would be even more concerned about the name-recognition suicide that would be the result of changing their name to "Guides".
  7. And we actually have a really simple situation with scouting in this country. Compare it with France. According to wikipedia ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scouting_and_Guiding_in_France )
  8. The article says Seems like the pot calling the kettle black. I don't know about the GSUSA national organization, but I've heard plenty of girl scout leaders (GSUSA) refering to their group of kids as simply "scouts" and what they do as "scouting". Generally one could tell from context which type of scouts was meant. (And if necessary to prevent confusion, then they would say "Girl Scouts" or "Boy Scouts".)
  9. We've got competing effects here. One could alternately imagine that more progressive areas would favor Girl Scouts because of the feminism permeating the program materials.
  10. Actually, your post just gave me an excuse to ask a question. I was more thinking along the line of a patrol wanting to hold a patrol meeting with as little adult interference as possible (within the confines of BSA rules). If one of the scouts has both parents registered (committee member, ASM, unit reserve scouter, merit badge counselor, whatever) then could the patrol hold its meeting at that scout's house on a Saturday morning or weekday evening when both parents were at home but were doing their own things elsewhere in the house?
  11. That's a major reason why I've been here. I'd rather learn what the sensitive topics are on scouter forum, than learn what they are by accidentally offending people I will need to work with in order to help get a Scouts BSA troop for girls going.
  12. Just as they sang "Softly Falls" and "Ging Gang Goolie" as Girl Scouts, will the girls still be able to sing "On my honor" as Scouts BSA?
  13. This is off topic, but you probably know the answer to this. For the two registered YPT-trained adults, of age at least 21 years, one of which must be female (needed for any activity involving Scouts BSA girls) --- does it matter whether these two adults are related to each other? Can a husband and wife be the only two adults with the group? I haven't seen any mention of this in what I've seen of BSA requirements, but my knowledge is limited. It sure would be convenient. I do know that some groups (such as GSUSA) require their necessary two adults to be unrelated to each other.
  14. And typically look really, really, really sloppy. The GSUSA gave up on a "uniform" look uniform in the early 1970s when they went mix-and-match. Actually having a uniform is one of the things about BSA that appeals to my daughter.
  15. I suspect that many of the girls to whom this video would appeal would have some idea of what their local girl scout troops are (or are not) doing. If they have found their local girl scout troop not to be outdoorsy enough, then this might make BSA look appealing. Not to say that GSUSA troops couldn't do this stuff (except wearing the BSA logo clothes) but many certainly don't.
  16. How does this formation of temporary crews affect the cohesiveness of the troop's patrols?
  17. But my Girl Scout council currently has such a rule. Could you be thinking of a different scouting organization's rule?
  18. Which edition do you recommend? There seem to be a lot of different years' versions available cheap second hand. What is a good one?
  19. The problems of English not disinguishing between you-singular and you-plural. Do you read this as "if you (a hard worker) choose a spouse who is also a hard worker (and not just pretty/handsome) then you two together may camp more and work double-shifts less? Or do you read this as "you will be able to goof off while your wife works"? The problems of internet comumication where we cannot see our listeners' mis-understanding in their eyes, and correct it before it really takes root. Maybe I've been paying too much attention to what Quazse has been saying about girl venturers (it is generally complimentary) and the positives for girls in Scouts BSA, so I did not read this into his words. And has he himself indicated (see next quote) that was not what he was advocating. But I do agree that poor treatment of women in certain eras and certain locations has been a problem. So, if we adults are having occasional difficulties with understanding each other within the limits of the Internet, what about kids these days? I find it disturbing that many elementary schoolers in my area have, for the last few years, had their own smart-phones (sometimes as hand-me-downs from parents). What were their parents thinking? Kids that age are not yet mature enough not to blurt out comments without thinking. At least in person they can see if they are offending their friends, and clarify or appologize right away. But on electronic media foolish impulsive remarks, or even simply less-than-100% crystal clear remarks, can linger long and can provoke negative overreactions on the parts of others.
  20. So I am hoping to be involved with a new girls Scouts BSA troop. I would like to see the patrol method used, and used well, in the new troop. Any suggestions for how to foster a Patrol Method culture in a new troop (whether the new troops be girls, boys, or Martians) ? I have already read the books Working the Patrol Method by Four Eagle Scouts and So Far, So Good! by Clarke Green And there is the complication that a new troop is likely to be a one-patrol troop at first.
  21. Trail To First Class? (A guess from an ignoramus)
  22. Your son is not a registered girl scout if he is under age 18. (The only boys who are allowed to register are those who call themselves girls!) But I believe it is possible (though I never learned how to do it) to sign up for extra insurance for non-registered participants.
  23. Sounds to me like you are already doing "Family Scouting" -- just unofficially in a GSUSA context. It also sounds like both the girls and the boy are having a good experience on these trips. Does this mean that there is hope that some units within BSA might make a good thing out of "Family Scouting"?
  24. If it ain't broke don't fix it. It sounds like your daughter has a great (girl) scout troop. Sounds like something to stick with. With a core group on enthusiastic girls and adults they can stick with traditional outdoor-oriented girl scouting, and simply ignore any of the new program materials they don't like. Unfortunately highly active outdoor-focussed girl scout troops are uncommon in my area.
  25. I see that there is a certain amount of consolidation, especially for kids who are close enough in age to be in cubs at the same time. The kids will occasionally do things together: both dens at the same pack meetings and whole-pack activities, rather than the boy cub den doing pack-wide activities with the pack and the girl Brownie Troop doing service-unit-wide activites with the girl scout service unit. The adults only need to learn one set of program materials, one set of safety standards, do only need one registration, and one background check, and somewhat overlapping trainings, to help with more than one kid. (By the way, the camp director of our local Girl Scout camp, who was a trainer of archery instructors (USA Archery), used to complain that she could not help her sons' boy scout troop with archery unless she did more training, because she had not completed the BSA archery training.)
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