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If it is acceptable practise in BSA, I'd like to do something of the sort with the new Scout BSA girls --- to emphasize the significance of their vow. Since scouting is not an activity that one attends, it is the undertaking of a way of life. But I'd like to do it the BSA way, if there is such a thing.

Apparently also done in Scouts Canada https://scoutdocs.ca/Documents/Scout_Investiture.php

When a kid joins scouting and formally makes the Scout Oath for the first time, is there any recognition of this as a formal and solemn promise that the scout is henceforth undertaking to obey? I only know how it is done in Girl Scouts. There, there is an "investiture" ceremony. The new scout is recognized and, in front of the whole group, recites the Scout Promise and recieves her Girl Scout pin. Usually this also includes someone shaking the new scout's hand with the Scout handshake and telling her congratulations upon becoming a Girl Scout. (For traditionalists, it also includes pi

Do you mean this sort? https://scoutmastercg.com/ecozoom-stove-review/ Have any of you used them as patrol stoves?

How many of you guys (your boy scout troops that is) normally cook over a fire rather than over a camping stove these days? As I have been getting acquainted with BSA in my area, I was surprised by how much of the cooking was on a camp stove rather than over a fire. And if you don't normally cook over a camp fire is it because (a) you don't have a good place to build a campfire or (b) building a fire and cooking over it takes too much time and the boys want to do other things or (c) problems with availability of firewood or (d) some other reason?

In a good year, our service unit has 2 or three activitites to which all the troops are invitied to attend. In a bad year, fewer. In a good year, our service unit has a meeting of all interested adults (troop leaders mostly, but interested parents also) every month or two. In a bad year, the service unit might meet only twice. It all come down to the energy level and availability of the volunteers -- who are also trying to keep things going in their own troops.

I'm a little concerned about that. Either 1) that they will scorn cabin camping as not being real camping or that 2) they will decide that cabin camping is close enough to camping and not want more. Besides, I have bad memories (both as a kid and as an adult) of being in a cabin with a whole bunch of Brownies and no one getting any sleep. Divide them up into tents of not more than 4 girls and everyone sleeps better. Or does this problem go away when the kids are older? There might be a certain appeal to this. Do a day outing quite early (before the end of February). Cook lun

If we want to nit-pick about language -- are you sure you mean "girl scout troop"? Or do you mean "scout troop for girls"? Either way, I agree with you that

Girl Scout troops are encouraged (by the council) not to carry money forward from year to year unless it is earmarked for a specific purpose.

A good service unit, if you have one, is valuable. The service unit is simply the troop leaders and other registered adult volunteers in a given geographical area (such as a town or school district). If the older girls' troops have experienced energetic troop leaders they can do a lot to help the younger troops and newer leaders. But if the leaders of the older troops are fully busy with their own troops, they might not have time or energy for helping out the younger troops. Occasionally our service unit has organized a service-unit-wide encampment or Thinking Day observance --

The GSUSA troop leader is responsible for finding a meeting space for her troop. It should be handicapped-accessible. It should preferably be in some kind of a public building (church, school, business, not a private home). And it should not cost anything to meet there. If you are lucky a sympathetic school or church will let you meet. Other troops end up meeting in the leaders homes (though this is discouraged) which of course serves to limit the troop size.

I like your plan. I think it looks like a great plan. But . . . I'm concerned about the season of the year. Our new troop will be starting beginning of February. Late February and early March we still ususally have snow on the ground. I think that some of the prospective new scouts have little or no camping experience. I want the first weekend outing to be a positive experience for all. We will not have a lot of scouts to start with. I don't want to lose any after the first camping trip if the camping trip is something they are not yet ready for. ) Anybody have good suggest

Winter? What climate? Did you take a bunch of new scouts winter camping within the first month or so of the troop restarting?

How do you handle the case of boys that are not U.S. citizens? Hardly seems appropiate to compel them to pledge allegience to the U.S. (The scout oath in BSA is no problem since the wording is "my country". I found @Cambridgeskip's link interesting about the alternative Scout Promise in the UK for kids who are not British subjects are don't have a duty to the Queen)

I'd love to have a thriving all girls troop. Several patrols. Scouts ranging from new cross-overs up to experience eagle scouts. Plenty of experience adults (SM/ASM/committee) able to provide the support the girls need to do what they want to do. But the reality is: We have no older experienced girls. (Girl eagle scouts don't even exist yet.) Of the three parents who have volunteered (without being pressed) to step up: None has been a SM, none has been an ASM, and none has been on a troop commitee. I went and did the online SM training and I went to IOLS. It's looking like I

So it seems that at first the girls troop will be a single patrol. So it seems to me the girls troop, on its own, will initially need a PL and APL, but will be too small to need a SPL or PLC. (I admit to being influenced by this post: https://www.scouter.com/topic/27493-pl-spl-for-small-troop/?tab=comments#comment-422519 and other posts in that thread.) For the sake of communication between the girls and boys troops, and for planning on whether (or not) to do any joint activities or meetings, I could see the girl PL attending the boys PLC as an observer (rather than a voting member)

Sounds like a great idea. I wonder if having an "expiration date" would make it easier to persuade an experienced former ASM/SM to help out directly with the girls troop, even without having a daughter in the troop. (I don't know of any parents of the girls who already have had ASM/SM experience.)

If only it were so simple. For each of the several boys troops, one or two girls have a family connection with that troop. (And all the troops are in the same school district which has only one jr high school and only one high school, so there are the oppotunities for friendships to overlap between scouts and school with all the troops.)

GSUSA seems to believe that it has improved its program (by making camping merely peripheral to the program) to meet the needs of the girls (the large number of girls that don't want to camp). After all, even in BSA, the outdoor program is only a method, not an aim. It seems that GSUSA thinks that other methods work better for most girls most of the time. It is great that the (probably minority) of girls who don't view GSUSA's improvements as improvement now have a second option of scouting organization.

My daughter also had that situation in two of the GSUSA troops she was in over the years. I think so, at least for Daisies, Brownies, Juniors. In our area, very very few girls continue past Juniors (5th grade.) But that is not what is happening. None of the other girls from daughter's GSUSA troop are planning to join BSA. I think that at least half of the interested girls in our prospective girls troops were never in GSUSA. I think that only a few currently are in GSUSA. We have yet to see. Under BSA rules all but one of the adults can be men. And it being B

That is the other important question. I would much appreciate any advice on what you think would work well and what would not work well. I've been talking with scoutmasters/committee-chairs of these troops (several different troops), asking each about what he thought the linkage would look like in practise if our newly forming girls troop were to link with his troop. I've gotten some ideas from each troop, but they don't yet have a fully formed idea of what they would like, just as I don't yet know what the girls troop would like. One consistent idea is that they think that the g

One of the troops I think yes -- or at least the PLC is. The other troops -- I need to find that out. Thanks for the helpful reminder that I should verify that the boys (and not just the adults) are for it.

Lots of dissusions currently on the practicalities of starting Linked/Girls Troops. Seems like time for its own forum or subforum. How about it @John-in-KC ?

For a new girls troop it seems obviously better to link to a friendly local boys troop than to try to go it alone as an completely independent troop with a separate troop committee. Situation: Girls: Probably 6 or 7 girls. Young and inexperienced. Ages 6th-8th grades. Most scouting experience among the girls: one did everything her brothers cub scout pack did, one did some camping with girl scouts as a Brownie/Junior/Cadette. A good bit of enthusiasm. Adults: One (me) with GSUSA experience and absolutely no BSA experience. One (an eagle scout) with extensive experience i

I have thought that this is how graces at scout camp (at least way back when girl scout camp sang grace) functioned. While singing the rather generic words, the scouts could direct their prayer to God the best way they understood, and that understanding would be different for the different scouts. In other words, to sing a grace was to make a time and space for scouts to pray with their own meaning in their own minds.