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This falls into the "cannot make a positive" assumption or offer proof of issues. Rather than acknowledge that it does possibly appear there could be challenges, there possibly could be some leaders short cutting the process and maybe denying the Scout the full program, the response from some is prove it. Very much like the situation where you walk into your house and see a picture that was hanging on the wall laying on the floor broken and ball laying near it. You may not be able to prove your child did it, but certainly it looks that way. Most of the concern, at least on my part, is the advancement apple seems to be replacing in some cases the journey of Scouting. Kudos I assume to those that want to race the ranks, and there are some joining later in their years that will be racing. But, all that being said, hopefully the leaders of the units will follow the program and not short change any Scout. We as a Scouting movement are only as good as the program we preside over in our units. Hopefully Scouting does not become just about earning Eagle as fast as you can, then move on the to next thing, the next box to check off.

Anchoring is one of the Pioneering MB requirements, good discussion point is always stakes, iron, trees, etc and what to tie the tower or structure to. Hardest part is getting good spars, keeping them dry, and moving them to make a good tower. We were going to build a tower maybe 15', but all the tree that were down were rotten to some degree. Managed to find four good ones maybe 10' in length, that were not too heavy. By the time we built it, was a beast to stand up. Waaay back in the day on camp staff we built a tower with a 25' platform. Built over a 5 week span. Cut down trees out in the woods, hauled them out, etc etc. Built at the side of the parade field. Tower was 25' x 10' x 10'. To stand it up we ran a heavy rope and had most of the campers play pull the tower. Amazing what about 200 Scouts and leaders can do. As it reached the tipping point had to adjust the back anchor so there was a little rock, but no a a hard stop. Standing on top of that was an amazing feeling. (hey, I can see my tent from here!!) Later years we cut all the needed spars and parts and were able to assemble an hourglass tower during the week in Pioneering MB. Assemble and knots M - W, then standing up and climbing it Thursday. Leaning back over and cutting all the lashings on Friday.

Careful...implied critiques of girls joining Scouts BSA may be frowned upon

Actually, their 6% metric is based on at this point in time, +/- 850,000 Boy Scouts Scouts BSA registered for a specific year, 50,000 Eagles in that year, so roughly 6%. Sort of a false measurement based on what they say and what they report. Each year we do not get a new 850,000 Scouts, more like 200,000 +/-. Many are registered for 3 - 5 years (some longer). I would argue the number of Scouts who join the Scouts BSA program that get Eagle is closer to 25%. The real measurement would be how many unique Scouts (yep, I know, they are all unique) and bounce that against Eagle Scouts, then you would have a true measurement of How Many Scouts Get Eagle

We got a looks last year at the district banquet, we had about 30% of the Eagle Scouts in the district. While reviewing metrics at the District Banquet some comments on needing to audit , better check the numbers etc etc. Funny part was when you looked at number of Boy Scouts in the district, out troop accounted for maybe 25% of that number (small district), so the math sort of dictated the outcome. Also we have the most hours for community service, no comments about that.

Interesting question, and one that has been discussed for lo these many years. Current troop has 80+ Scouts and over the last 11 years we have averaged about 8 Eagles each year. Looking at a percentage earning Eagle, for Scouts that join the troop about 50% earn Eagle. For the Scouts that joined in one year (21) 13 attained Eagle or 62%. They earned Eagle over a 4 year span. Some at about 15 and some at the literal cusp of 18 The troop has never done an "advancement" outing. All the outings are determined by the Scouts and the main drive is to have fun. We have 11 outdoor monthly outdoor events each year, two summer camps, annual high adventure, etc etc The troop does hold MB sessions for various Eagle required badges, maybe 2 - 3 per year. These are held prior to meetings and do not impact regular meetings. My observation on Scouts getting to Eagle is, does the troop provide a place where they can work towards Eagle? Majority of our Eagle Scouts are over 16, they have been in the troop and active for years, gone on High Adventure, been to camp, been in leadership, worked summer camp staff, and done many Scout things. As a unit we have a Life to Eagle position that keeps track of who is where in the process and is the point of contact for the Eagle process. Keeping the older Scout engaged, understanding their schedule and time demands can be a key to helping them along the Scouting journey. You may not see some Scouts every meeting due to sports, AP classes, band, etc. That does not mean they are not engaged. We have numerous leaders, our practice is that the Scouts drive their advancement. If they need to meet with a specific leader on some aspect, they send the note to make sure they are going to be at the meeting. Are we an "Eagle Mill"? I would say no. We are a troop that works with older Scouts, has a large group of experienced leaders that can assist when asked. Key is we demand no more an no less than is required. Recently we had a Scout that came to a meeting, we had not seen him for a while, and was looking at finishing Life Scout rank then on to Eagle. Challenge was his 18th birthday was only 170 days away (less than 6 months) and he still needed to complete 2 merit badges prior to having is BOR for Life. Really sad part is that about 8 months prior we had reached out, advised on timelines, pointed out if he was interested in working on Eagle he needed to complete Life rank, do the leadership, etc. No response until his recent meeting attendance. Our conversation was he could complete his youth scouting journey as a Life Scout (after getting those 2 MB's completed) but that was it.

Saw a post on another social media platform. A young lady was reporting that she has completed 1st class requirements as of May 4th 2019. I guess congratulations, but I had some observations: That means in 92 days (2/1/19 - 5/4/19) she has: Completed all the requirements for Scout / Tenderfoot / Second Class / First Class That is 118 separate items Including: 30 days of record keeping for Tenderfoot physical fitness 4 weeks (28 days) of record keeping for Second Class fitness after Tenderfoot fitness requirement 6C 4 weeks (28 days) of record keeping for First Class fitness after Second class fitness requirement 7A That's minimum of 86 days for those keeping score on the fitness requirements Went to 10 Scout events that do not include troop or patrol meetings. From those 10 - 6 were outdoor events For the outdoor events there were at least 3 overnight campouts where she slept in a tent or structure she put up (the campouts do seem easily attainable if troop camps monthly) Completed the BSA Swim Test Trust there was nothing more and nothing less required to complete the ranks.

It is a an ongoing process. The training is ongoing for Scouts and leaders. Some can handle the processes better, some need less guidance, some need more. We try to keep it from drifting too far into "Lord of Flies" territory. One conversation we had a few months ago with our SPL was, having a class session (for example) on hammocking tips is a great idea, but what are the instructors going to cover? That needs to be part of the meeting plan. We touched on that he should not be looking for an in-depth lesson plan, they have about 10 minutes or so (they rotate) so what 3 things should the instructor cover. That should be part of his plan. Also to advise an ASM that just giving feedback that during BOR's we hear classes are not good is pretty thin. Work with the SPL to give feedback on what is not going well. Too many phones out, instructor not prepared, subject has been covered multiples times, etc etc. Also these are the SCOUTS meetings, let them decide what to work on and cover. We can suggest, but end of the day, they have to own it.

The Scouts meet and determine topics and plans, the leaders sit to the side, most of the time we quietly discuss a variety of topics not related to Scouting For meetings our involvement is typically: Can we do X at the meeting (yes or no) The leaders ask questions such as what are the items you want cover in class sessions We confirm how many meetings they are planning for at this time We review their plan For the annual planning our involvement is questions from the the scouts, these are typically: About a possible outing and Yep we can do that, or no we can't do skydiving You guys know that is 4 hours away, is that really a good weekend? That's a lot of money, are you sure? Things like that Also we sometimes step in to keep them on task if the discussion goes waaay to far and afield

Not the specific topic, but we have had some challenges with cell phones. Yes it can be a good tool, but then there is a litany of tools that could be useful at camp and outings that we do not bring (chainsaws, generators, work lights to name a few) Our primary driver was that it did impact the group interactions on outings. When there are no phones, the scouts congregate more and socialize more. Better attended card games and cornhole tournaments

Other than Scouts have done a good bit of sports coaching. One of the parents was a lawyer, so I asked him what my liability was if a player got injured. His umbrella response was that they (as parents) had to assume some risk as they allowed their child to play a sport. Yes you could have an action against you, but it likely would not be a winnable one if you as the coach were doing normally accepted actions or it was the course of the game and no visible risks were present. Drills, exercises, and other activities that would be associated with the sport and as the coach was taking reasonable care. As others have noted, not being negligent. Preface to that is normally acceptable of course. Scouts is similar, parents do have some assumption of risk. They may not like that, but it is there. Within the BSA medical form, that every participant should sign and their guardian should sign, there is this disclaimer: I understand that participation in Scouting activities involves the risk of personal injury, including death, due to the physical, mental, and emotional challenges in the activities offered. Information about those activities may be obtained from the venue, activity coordinators, or your local council. I also understand that participation in these activities is entirely voluntary and requires participants to follow instructions and abide by all applicable rules and the standards of conduct. Now, as with the sports example, are you taking reasonable care, are you or other leaders not being negligent, are you doing the things expected? For example you are on a backpacking trek and as a side activity you lead them up a 40' free climb without proper gear. That might be a challenge if someone gets hurt. Exercise care, and most importantly...don't be stupid.

Adults not ready to make the transition from parent to leader

I wonder if there is more to the story? Trail looks to be only less than 2 miles from 1 parking area and less than 3 miles from another. Not discounting dehydration that can come on quickly, Here is a map of the park https://d2umhuunwbec1r.cloudfront.net/gallery/0004/0010/27F8D231CC7F4A9CB199737FE780E8D6/PIPE_ParkMap_Spring_2019_FINAL_01.pdf

That is so true....I could easily see a return to the past where adults only approved project proposals with multi-page descriptions and detailed plans and detailed cost and .... Had a sad discussion with one Scout from another troop on his project. The troop approver ONLY wanted CAD type drawings, no hand ones, no sketches from excel, etc. The Scout was building some shelves or cabinets. He wanted nailing diagrams, then cut sheets, etc. Poor guy had submitted his project multiple times. Most issues I see and hear about the workbook, and I work with 12 - 15 Scouts per year from our troop, deal not with the content or layout, it deals with the PFD document and how hard it is to work with. As a document (generic term) it is good. Easy to follow, keeps everyone on track. The file format is lacking

The level of complaining if there are not good hammocking trees is epic when we camp. Literally there is one area we have not returned to due to lack of hammock trees. On most outings (and we camp 35 - 40 Scouts) it runs about 80% hammock Hard part is judging the age of the trees to make sure they are compliant with various age issues, no more than 2 years apart and whatnot. Once you cut them down and count rings, tough to use for hammocks

Hammocks. That's the only solution...hammocks

Annually for summer we do a summer activity shirt. Same chest design, but the back has summer camps and HA that the troop is doing Some colors over the last few years Burgundy Grey Black Texas Orange Navy Scarlett Forest Green Red Royal Blue After the scouts have been in a few years nice to see the different colors at activities. The leaders seem to have stacks of different colors. As for the gentle blending in aesthetic mentioned, that may work if you and a friend or two are out in the wilderness. You put 40 Scouts out on an outing, the blending in goes out the window

Got a scout wearing a patch from one of the military branches on his uniform, apparently granddad was in the service, WW2, and he is very proud of that, his granddad, and his service. Wears it under the US flag... We took the same path, Scout is very active and loves Scouting, whatever (within reason) brings them to the table regularly

Folks arguing and debating the guides to uniform and what should and should not be worn (let's get a red epaulette thread fired up) is truly the definition of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Basically as @Double Eagle advised, we've got bigger fish to fry Wear the pin. Enjoy

So...there are many entities within the BSA. National (National and Regions) and then the Councils. The suits are against BSA National (I believe), though likely the local councils were named in the suits. Or, if the lawyers get enough clients "will" be named in the suits. With business type bankruptcy, and assuming Chapter 11 for reorganization and not Chapter 7 liquidation. With Chapter 11 one of the first steps is to secure DIP (Debtor in Possession) financing so that National BSA can continue operations. To be sure, not clear how Chapter 11 would effect the assets of the Boy Scouts. Specifically Intellectual Property (Name BSA, ranks, images, Eagle Scout name, etc), also physical properties such as Philmont, Summit, and to some degree Northern Tier and Seabase. I think more of the 2 latter HA bases may be leased, but could be wrong on that. The unknown will be the ripple effect if National BSA does go the bankruptcy route. Will that cause local councils to go that route to protect their assets. Council offices, camps, etc. Whatever the course, will be messy.

Anderson plans to file multiple lawsuits against the Boy Scouts on behalf of the victims and demands the organization hand over their files, including names of those accused of abuse I thought the files were already out in a searchable database as a result of several previous lawsuit. Wow - these guys are definitely looking for more clients - here is one from New York attorney. They even list names from the files. They seem to be casting a wide net for anyone else. https://newyorksexabuseattorneys.com/boy-scout-files/?gclid=CjwKCAjw7_rlBRBaEiwAc23rhthUii8jw1NnVhlr9KfGHsoB_K_9EyafV8eyx7caVCP_xnX-CixVVhoCQVgQAvD_BwE Here is the searchable database https://www.crewjanci.com/resources/boy-scout-perversion-files/

This definitely look like a money play. In no way discounting what happened to the youth and in no way excusing the way the BSA (National / Council / Local CO) handled these cases. Challenge is there is liability in the way this was handled. Problem is many of these go back (even in their admission) almost 80 years. The lawyers typically state they want policies to change etc, which BSA has clearly done. This is grandstanding, nothing else. If they have incidents in the last 10 years, after the more stringent YPT was rolled out, then you have a case that warrants attention. The only reason to get wound up on the past ones is if BSA starts denying it happened.

Keep the trailer small. We have an 80 person troop, camp with 30 - 40 most of the time. Trailer is (Interior) 7.5' L x 5.0' W x 5.5' H, single axle. Double doors on the back. Shelves down one side and then the floor holds the large patrol boxes. Can hold easily adult gear, the six patrol boxes, 7 tables (they fold), 8 tarps, and assorted random gear. Trailer can be hauled with SUV's and does not need any special setup. For summer camp we only haul trunks and it can take 18 - 20 of those. We bring another trailer for additional trunks Main thing (as many have said) look at tongue weight, hauling weight, special brakes hook up etc. Sort of like your basement, the larger the trailer the more stuff you will bring Don't fall into the trap of a trailer that cannot be hauled with the majority of vehicles the troop may have access to now AND going forward

So...not to do a disservice to the journey, and it is each Scout's journey, basic project management, if you have hard stop to achieve something you will need a plan. We had an older teen (15 and 8 months) join the troop a couple of years ago. Mainly he wanted to attend high adventure with friends in the troop. As he did attend one high adventure and then camp (as a "new" scout) we talked about what he wanted to do in Scouting. Long story short, we backdated a plan for when HE would need to attain various ranks. HE would have to do this, HE would need to attend our second summer camps to get enough optional merit badges, HE would need to serve in the leadership, HE would need to propose, plan, and perform a project. Fast forward, he is 18 in maybe 90 days. He has earned his 21 merit badges, served as JASM in the troop and at summer camps, went to high adventure, went to outings, and just got his project approved. Should wrap up before 18th birthday. It can be done if THEY want to earn it, see the value, and you can support the journey.