PACAN

24 minutes ago, cmd said:

@PACAN Have you been involved with Cubs lately?  There may not always be a lot of help from parents, but I would never call it "a drop and run game".  In fact, that's the biggest difference I see between cub scouts and Daisy/Brownies.  The GSUSA programs in our area meet after school with two moms running the whole show and no other parent in sight.  Cubs, on the other hand, have a firm national policy that if a parent doesn't attend, the Lion/Tiger can't either.  Most packs I know have internal policies that parents are required with all Wolf/Bear cubs unless they absolutely can't, and by the time they get to Webelos/AOL, parents are so used to staying that they all just stick around even though it would probably be better to start giving the kids a little space before launching them into a troop.
 

@BetterWithCheddar  require  " parents to volunteer a certain number of hours"    

Sounds better than why one reason Packs and Troops go out of business  - We are in a drop and run game.

I'm sure there is a Paul Harvey "rest of the story" here somewhere.

Who does the CO report to?   These are all part of the need to have more direct oversight of their units that they CO is being told to make sure are being done to "protect" them  a.k.a liability from being sued into oblivion.  Some of this language is in these new agreements.

The only one I see as being a stretch is the SM going through the CO.  Where is the Committee Chair in this equation?  The SM works for the CC.

@yknotYep.   I'm sure there are others but since  I started this post none of the NY or MA ones were posted.      I heard of some individual Parishes when the UMC issue was posted.

Anyone hear of the final number of attendees?

@Eagle94-A1Amen.  Sometimes I wonder if the scouting professionals take the same course as politicians.

@MattRContinue to flourish in spite of his Leadership? 🤨

Interesting that most of  the Diocese in this topic are from the Wisconsin and Illinois area.  Also wonder how many youth are affected?

@TuckahoeJoe   My friend is in a unit around Harrisburg but I don't know which one other than he said they are still going to recharter.   I wonder how much the increase is.     They look like that the insurance company definition of "promoting scouting"  meant "as long as you pay us"

@DeaconLance  I think you are absolutely right....easy to drop scouts using liability as an excuse.  Probably just looking for a way out.   Curious if you know how much the increase was and how much the additional cost is? 

"our dissatisfaction with the BSA’s cooperation on the issue, "

Wonder what that means?

How about this:   As we have seen on the forum Councils are giving National a "salute" on this already.   Rules? we don't need no stinkin rules. 

@james6

not a cynic….direct knowledge of the appeal.

The National fee will be the least of your problem.  The usury extra fees that councils will add on with impunity as we have heard on the forums will likely drive more out of the program.

A volunteer panel reviews and make the recommendation.  I’ve seen it take one to twelve months.   Never seen ,, although I guess it has happened,  the scout turned down because it is always the fault of the adults even it there is clear evidence that the scout did not actually do the requirements.

No it means National has no power over councils.  🤨

Did I miss a policy change?  My understanding is that councils cannot add a council fee greater than the BSA registration fee currently $75.

@AwakeEnergyScouter

Where was/is your scouting experience where you had mixed gender troops?

I'm sure RichardB could explain the legal reasons the BSA chose to have gender separate troops as the author of the Guide to Safe Scouting

This bankruptcy the BSA has gone through has required many YP changes for summer camping and just recently the change that all leaders must be in a paid BSA position.

@Jameson76  about 1/3 of councils have less than 1500 scouts, many less than 1000.  Not sure how they survive to operate today.

Hence the BS FOS calculation of we need $100 to support one scout (some places it's twice that).

If the BSA recruited 196K cubs last year then where did they go in 3 months?     

Not to get myself in trouble but I notice that the overwhelming majority of the Eagle girls I see pictures of have full MB sashes.   In my 20 years of our troop I can only remember one boy who even had a sash 3/4 full as they were busy running their troop and going camping etc.   Always makes me wonder how integrated they were in troop operations.  Okay I'll shut up. 

The overall numbers are interesting but a 23% drop in 3 months is concerning.

Peeling back the numbers would tell a story:

How many new scouts joined Packs at recharter?

What is the breakdown by category?   Is the number of AOL scouts dropping which is bad news for the troops in 2024?

How many AOL scouts crossed over and are in the Troop's number?

How many scouts aged out of SBSA?

How many aged out of Crews?  

How many of these are Scout reach or whatever they are called?

How many units dropped as that number is almost as significant as the youth number?

A number of councils have instituted an additional fee per youth not to exceed the national registration amount.

This is to guarantee they will get what they could not convince parents to do FOS.

Councils wonder why their FOS is basically non existent from units.  DUH.   The parents view the extra fee as FOS of course.

It is sad to watch FOS chairman beg for units to do presentations.

A bit of history...the current EP workbook was borne out of reviewers jerking scouts around because they didn't have enough detail.  Remember it was just a blank sheet of paper.  Scouts had up to 8 reviews before approval and some just gave up.  BSA Advancement said enough of this stupidity and we (and I helped) wrote the GTA and EP documents.   Are there still boneheads who jerk scouts around - absolutely unfortunately.

So...The Proposal-Final Plan (now Project plan)- Project report was started to give the scout more structure on what they needed to consider as this is the first time they have ever had to take on something like this.  Is this a perfect document?

Not sure what project detail in the proposal section is too much

What are you going to do

Why does this help the beneficiary

How many helpers do you guess you need

Broad idea of the stuff you need to pull this off

Do you need to ask for any permissions outside the sponsor

Ballpark cost

What are the next steps

How do you get the stuff and people to your worksite

Safety

Work on your Project plan

The Project plan basically takes the above categories and puts some meat to them.  For example I need wood to make a picnic table (Proposal)  I need X number of boards (Project Plan), I need 10 helpers (Proposal)  to I need 2 BSA adults, an adult to cut the boards and a diagram on the steps.   The Project plan also has a Work Process section which is basically how do you  envision the workday will go.  Most of the sponsors I know want to see this part to make sure the scout is meeting their expectations and get off the rails.

I'll suggest that a scout needs to fill out the majority (if not all) of this section or his picnic table will look like I made it. 

The Project report is just what it says and usually can be completed the night after all the work is done.

@InquisitiveScouter   I forgot my 😉 emoji on my first statement.

Cub Camping is one night because of the huge file national has on how many injuries there are on the 2nd night.

The issue here is how many council sponsored camping events do councils actually do and provide resources for so 2 nights can be had?    Let's all not laugh too hard.

My council friend says his council camp won't even book one night events.

JMHO.

Most MBs can be found like you did for Welding

If your talking about MBs that you buy equipment for after the badge then

Archery, Rifle Shotgun - if you buy your own equipment

Backpacking - lots of $ more equipment

Cycling - fancy bikes

Dog Care -Woof

Fishing/Fly Fishing - Walk into Bass Pro

Golf

Horsemanship 

Kayaking/Canoeing/Rowing/Motorboating/Small Boat Sailing

Water Sports/Snow Sports/Whitewater

Scuba

But remember scouting is cheaper than any other youth group. 😁

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