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I would hope Diocese would allow any of the options.   Parishes have always had the option to have or not have Scouting.  I wonder how many Diocese have scouts and how many units there are.

https://www.nccs-bsa.org/ 

I would be surprised if the local council would buy into a UMC church maintaining the status quo given all the press this situation has received.

Thanks KublaiKen but how is a unit rechartering as before?   Not an option as we read it.

Are there other UMC units out there that can share what they are doing?  

The verbiage on the inclusion of the life ambition statement is first found in the 2013 Boy Scouts requirements book.  It is not listed as a "requirement " but it says to include it with your application.

Gotta believe these mergers will be more shortly.   There are close to 15% of all councils with less than 1000 youth.

The scout is there so he can blame the adults for being unfair and picking on him and so some other adults will overturn the BOR on appeal.  😝

As long as you remember that the professionals are never wrong and the volunteers are to blame, you will be fine. 😡

New National policy likely tied to the bankruptcy.

The council would know how many Webelos 2/AOL in the 786 number so take those scouts and see which ones show in the Scouts BSA number now.

2 hours ago, JSL3300 said:

If I'm not supposed to share this level of detail, let me know and I'll remove. I can't see any reason these numbers shouldn't be public, so here's what one district is looking at: 

 

Packs	Current Scouts as of 10-21-22	Number of new Scouts 2022	Scouts Last Year End	Diff
3300	39	13	37	2
3384	22	8	14	8
3385	56	15	57	-1
3387	35	5	48	-13
3390	24	1	42	-18
3402	44	8	44	0
3403	9	3	0	9
3405	17	3	11	6
3409	25	5	25	0
3411	65	15	40	25
3454	54	12	56	-2
3455	31	13	26	5
3501	50	7	55	-5
3502	19	6	11	8
3506	45	8	38	7
3507	41	10	39	2
3508	11	1	20	-9
3512	10	0	26	-16
3513	40	14	30	10
3517	82	16	80	2
3519	16	6	12	4
3520	36	19	23	13
3527	20	0	25	-5
Totals	790	188	786	8

So how many of the 786 Cubs at the end of the year crossed over or did the just drop out?

@RichardB

Thanks for the info.  I'm guessing you meant 938,771 total membership at the end of September.

Is this report something you would be willing to share with the group on a monthly basis?  I'm guessing councils would be reluctant to give this out although this should be shared with every key three.

Any one heard/seen and recent numbers?

My friend's troop has multiple troop boxes in addition to an administrative supplies one.:

First Aid - Rank Requirements

Map and Compass including Orienteering

Ropes including basic knots and lashings

Fire starting

Cooking gear including DO cleaning

Each one has its own rubbermaid  box.

Sounds like you are doing what you can.   Unfortunately, sometimes there is nothing you can do if there is no support from the adults and scouts. There are lots of Troops folding due to having no Pack to feed them.   My friend has had 5 fold when their Pack folded.

Boring meetings:  What do they want to do?   Maybe focus the meetings on what fun activities you can do on your monthly weekend.     

Climbing.   Planning a weekend day and cover all the techniques and climb on safely.

Whitewater rafting, Kayaking or Canoeing

Cooking competitions using the techniques required in Cooking MB.  Scouts against Adults.

Wilderness Survival...building shelters

Geocaching/Orienteering...fun hobby

Rifle or Archery...can you find a range and qualified RSO?

Best of luck!

JMHO.

Making percentage comparisons all depend on where you start.   I think Circle Ten is probably one of the top 5 councils in membership.  So for their increasing 4% is more youth but a smaller council of 1000, 4% is only 40 youth.

JMHO

Interesting that this comes up the majority of the time when a scout is approaching 18.

My guess is the scout believes his parents gave him permission since there are other Eagle MBs (Cit in Comm, Cit in World, Family Life) (and probably others) that they gave him permission to do the requirement.  If this is a religious objection, did the parent have an issue with Personal Fitness?  You have to be careful not to get between a parent and yourself.  Calmly explain how this requirement can be met as armymutt  said.

The Book answer is is the scout feels that he has met all the requirements for his next rank, he may have a BOR.   I'll offer to sit on it. 

@jcousino  unfortunately everything you list is already happening.

@Eagle94-A1 unfortunately the professionals will never understand that they need volunteers more than volunteers need them.

@jcousino I have no doubt you are correct.   It's all about resource control and the LC saying you can't mess with us.  Why is the world would any LC want to sponsor units?  The LC will make the unit's life miserable.   Their definition of actively  participate will include additional fees for the pleasure of being your sponsor and to cover all the work they will be doing for your unit.

I had a friend say that maybe they will take all the LC ex-UMC units and form one Pack and Troop. 😜

JMHO

JMHO..but LC sponsoring ALL units probably ends the program.  Sponsors will withdraw all their support from the BSA causing greater financial shortfalls and increased lack of community support.     LC sponsoring ANY units is the way to go as LC neither have the time nor manpower to properly sponsor so they will hire new people just for that purpose and have the units pay for these positions with increased council fees over and above national, expect increased FOS and fundraising support, require "their" units to only go to the council camp and programs.  Of course the LCs will have access to bank accounts and equipment they will divest. 

When you realize the BSA started Lions for membership and money (every Lion has to pay the extra $25) and none of the decision makers have to execute a program for 5 year olds you will have your answer. 

7.0.4.7 was written into the GTA because of the number of National Advancement complaints from Summer Camps.  Scouts coming back from camp in one instance with 20 MBs in a week.   These MBs included requirements that could only be done away from camp and/or had time limit requirements.   The scout pencil whipped a number of worksheets and the 16 year old "counselor"   accepted what was scribbled in the blocks as completed work.   Since the "If the MBC signed the blue card it was done without any question.   Unfortunately the approved MBC (area director)  relied on the "instructor" checking the scout off.

Another example was when weather precluded the water or climbing badge completion and they were "close enough" and got it signed off.

This parargraph should be used cautiously.

JMHO.

@ShadyRhoads

So the Camp Director was/is the SM's wife and she can't figure out how hosed up an operation she was running to correct this?

Speaking of running...run as far away from this camp in the future.   Tell everyone you can to do the same so those scouts are not trapped into this shoddy operation.

I don't know the average but a friend of mine went to a camp where they had digitized their program records for the last five years and could call up his sons partial mb in 30 seconds to get the info needed.