DeaconLance

I noticed the new Guide states square knot are now limited to nine, not just recommended.

It had its national status pulled, but it is still a high adventure base run by the Katahdin Council.http://www.mainehighadventure.org/

Did anyone besides LDS charter Varsity Scout teams?

The NCCS does have episcopal oversight and they are the official representation of the USCCB to the BSA. They do have the authority to state the Church's position as it is the only position they have. The bishops give them their position. Now the USCCB is large and individual bishops may not agree with the majority position and opt to disassociate their parishes from chartering units as we see in North Dakota. As long as the BSA honors its position to allow Catholic COs to choose leaders according to Church teaching I don't see any problem. Deacon Lance

The Golden Arrow was an award for patrol leaders who met certain training and performance requirements not unlike the Scouter Training Award.

Very nice qwazse! And SMMatthew this probably the better way to go. Mixing different sacred texts run the risk of offending everybody.

Trevorum writes: " As I have posted elsewhere, many organizations that sponsor religious awards progams have no offcial affiliation with the religious bodies they represent. For example, the National Catholic Committee on Scouting is not an official body of the Catholic Church - rather, it is a group of Catholic Scouters who want to serve Catholic youth." Your statement regarding the National Catholic Committee on Scouting is incorrect. It is an official body of the Catholic Church founded by and under the oversight of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops. The same is true of the Eastern Orthodox Committee on Scouting which was founded by and operates under the Standing Conference of the Canonical Orthodox Bishops in the Americas.

Eagle92, Thanks for the info. That is very strange indeed.

Eagle92, "First Class rank, cloth, gold on tan, No. 00418; large standard metal pin, No. 00017; Boy Scout, left pocket; center front of campaign hat and expedition hat." After looking at this I interpret it to mean Scouts wear nothing on the hats until they earn First Class then they may wear the First Class pin or nothing. As you said it is a restricted item so how would you order it for a Scout before he earn it anyways?

After rethinking this, I don't think the troop can trump the Eagle Scout's right to wear the cloth badge. The other ranks have an option of badge or pin. Eagle does not. Medals are for formal occasions.

"Think about it like the Eagle Scout award. We give a lad both a medal and a patch. He wears the medal the day he receives it - instant recognition. If he's under 18, he'll likely sew on the patch - and if you're wearing the Eagle Scout patch, you don't wear the medal." This error keeps being repeated and it drives me crazy. Normally the Scouts wear the Eagle badge and Scouters wear the Eagle knot. Both may wear the Eagle medal in addition to the cloth patch on formal occasions. The Insignia Guide states: "Cloth badges and embroidered square knots are representative of metal pin-on awards and are designed for the convenience of the wearer. Generally, when a cloth badge is worn, the metal one is not worn." "Eagle rank, cloth, silver, white, and blue on red, No. 00489, Boy Scout, left pocket. Adults wear square knot, No. 05011." "Eagle Award, silver medal suspended from scroll, No. 00135; sterling silver, No. 00112; Boy Scout. Adults wear only on formal Eagle occasions." It doesn't state never under any circumstances can you wear a medal and knot/badge at the same time. I don't think whne the regulations were written it was intended that cloth badges had to be taken off to wear the medal or that everyone had to have two shirts.

SO few kids wear the campaign hat I think it is a none issue. My understanding was everyone was to wear the universal pin except, First Class and up who were to wear the First Class pin.

I think they should just wear the badge. They could wear the lapel pin if the Troop is adamant, a bit small but better than wearing the medal all the time.

Yes, the world over the necker is the most recognized sign of a Scout, except the BSA where it is only an option. I think the new Canadian uniforms look sharp and functional and the BSA should take notes.

Full uniforming is a great ideal that the BSA does nothing to promote outside of lip service. Lord Baden-Powell described the essentails of the uniform: hat, necker, shirt, belt, socks and emphasized it be complete and correct. His HQ provided the uniform but his Scouts were not required to purchase it there. For shirts, shorts, belt and socks any dark blue, khaki, grey, or green ones would do. The only requirement on any of it was that the shirt was to have two pockets in front. No expensive "official" uniform. Just uniform use of readily available clothing. If the BSA was serious about full uniforms they would adopt our founder's wise policy.