Eagle94-A1

@fred8033, I do not think it was a case of not communicating the expectations. The families in question were told repeatedly that it was hurting the Scouts and affecting the troop. See some of my posts from the 2018 time period.

I can only find my old Eagle info, and even then it is incomplete. As for my logged in profile, nothing is showing. And folks wonder why they have people who do not rely on My.Scouting and Scoutbook.

Yes, I truly believe it is NOT okay for a Scout to sleep with their parents, barring medical exceptions. I saw to much disruption, and too many problems because of it. I'll give you the worse example, which almost led to a campwide lost camper drill at summer camp. ASM dad had his wife an younger son come to family nite. Instead of wife and son going home, they checked into a nearby hotel. ASM dad and son went with them for the night. Not only did they not tell anyone they were leaving, they also did not sign out with the camp office. They texted a message to the other adults that they were at the hotel. There are very few spots at camp with cell service, and the campsite the troop was in was not one of them. One of the other ASMs happened to be at the office with cell reception doing work, and got the message. Folks at the campsuite were getting worried and almost reported it as lost campers, when the other ASM showed up, and told them about the message. This was the same ASM who allowed his son to sneak out at nite and sleep with him. In my experience, 99% the Scouts do not want to be with the parents or siblings. Last camp out all three of my sons wanted their own tents instead of sharing a tent. The Scout who had a documented medical condition, and needed an adult with them wanted to be with their buddies. The two new Cross Overs both wanted to be on their own the second nite of the camp out. No, you got the question right, can a parent stay with their Scout, Sea Scout or Venturer while doing BSA family camping, and the answer is no.

As a former pro, I've seen all the above. One that is missing is "Never received it in the mail." One factor, at least when I was a pro many years ago, is that you have do have special training to enter the information. Out of all the staff, only 3 people had that training, and two of them were basically backups for the registrar. And with the number of applications the staff receive, it can be a nightmare. After we found out my wife was ineligible for one of the lifesaving awards because she was still unregistered, that is when I collected all the signatures and hand delivered the application, and it still was not registered. And it was not as if she had never registered with the BSA before. She was an associate advisor for the council's Explorer Post/Venturing Crew she was trying to register again in, and was a troop committee member in a different council.

Whatever you do in Scouting, KEEP COPIES OF YOUR RECORDS!!!!!!!!!!! Before you turn in anything, please make a copy. I've been in multiple councils over the years,, and BSA's records keeping and IT systems are not the best. My wife turned in about 5 applications, one I hand delivered, and was never registered until I emailed a copy and asked if they could finally register her. While officially "Unregistered" she served as a assistant Den leader, Webelos den leader, and day camp staff. Lots of complaints about SCOUTBOOK losing records recently. A few years back 95% of the volunteers in my district were "untrained". I spent several months getting the records, recording the records with the codes, and turned it in to teh council. about 2-3 years later, Those records were missing again. Thankfully I had the original records I recorded saved and resubmitted.

I guess cooking, door to door sales, and maybe even Scouting For Food, and other activities are on their way to being banned since OSHA requires cooks to be 16+ and going door to door is 18+.

Yes, this is a program rule, like no towers over 5 feet, no water guns, etc. It really needs to be elsewhere, but here we are. And as foolish as this rule may seem, there is a reason for it. I was in a troop that was "family friendly." Two families, who treated every camp out as a family camp out, nearly destroyed the troop. Bringing siblings who interfered, allowing their Scouts to sneak into their tent at night (abandoning buddies), allowing the Scouts to hang out with them and eat with them instead of being with the patrols, ad nauseum. The worse was the unregistered parents overruling the SPL and PLs on a variety of things. Morale among the Scouts was rapidly falling. Complaints at BORs at which the registered parents were not on arose multiple times. Finally my family left. After I left, the COR intervened, which caused some issues. Then this rule appeared. Thankfully the troop turned around, and we only took 1 other Scout with us. I was afraid 1/2 the troop would leave over those two families. And the impression I get was it almost happened. That said, do I know of units that violate the rule? Probably, but no hard evidence. Unofficially my troop violated the rule. We had 2 new Scouts who had just crossed over into the troop the week before the troop went camping. They had never camped with us before, nor any troop due to COVID. While they turned in applications to transfer into the troop from the pack, we wanted them to camp with us before committing. While they were treated as Scouts and assigned to patrols, the first night they did sleep with the parents instead of on their own. Second night they were in their own tents. AT the next meeting, they came back, said they were 100% committed to the troop, and we sent in the applications.

I got one worse. The worse lifeguard I ever worked with initially failed the class. The attitude was horrible, and he didn't know the skills. The instructor, when questioned why the student failed by the aquatics director, laid out a litany of issues with the student. Instructor was fired and the director, who was an instructor-trainer, passed the student. The student also happened to be the instructor-trainer's son. After that situation, I understand why my Lifesaving MBC wanted to review the skills to insure I knew them. Yes, I asked if my YMCA Lifeguard certification would suffice for Lifesaving MB. And my MBC went over the skills with me. I paid the guest fee for him to come to my pool and test me.

First and foremost, do you meet the current, 2019 Guide to Advancement, standards for being a Lifesaving MBC? Page 44 states Once upon a time I was a Lifesaving MBC. Only time I accepted a Lifeguard certification without question was the Scout I certified as a YMCA lifeguard. He passed the class another Instructor and I taught with flying colors. I then went over the extra stuff. What I have done in the past was do a quick review of the skills with them, to make sure they actually know their stuff. If you don't practice those skills, you will lose them. Yes, Muscle memory helps, but you got to do the skills a lot before they become automatic.

Not everyone who does not want the vaccine is a denier. A lot of folks in the medical field have reservations about the vaccines. One of them stated that they had serious questions about one company's study methodology after reading a peer reviewed medical journal article on the vaccine. Others have questions about the efficacy of the vaccine, and whether it will really make a difference or not based upon their reading of the ongoing research of the virus. I have read of hospitals offer bonuses in the form of cash and extra days off as an incentive for their staff to get the vaccine. Trust me they know it's real. They know they have to be cautious. But they have legitimate concerns because these vaccine have been fast tracked. They do not know what long term effects the vaccines will have.

Some of the studies I've read say about 6 months.

Depends upon the unit in my neck of the woods. The "High Speed, Low Drag" aka "One and Done" units, I see a few under 15. These are adult run, advancement driven units. And once they earn Eagle, they are gone. Old school units tend to be older 16-18 years old. Their focus is not advancement, but to provide opportunities for advancement. Mostly youth run, and their Eagles tend to remain either as youth, or ASMs until they leave for college, the military, careers, etc. My 17 year old is still in until he leaves for college in the fall. Our newest, who just turned 18, is our newest ASM, and will be active until he also leaves for college in the fall.

Yes, it was the premier training, and to be invited was indeed a BIG deal. Heck I received an invitation to attend, and I was flabbergasted to be invited. Sad but true. I do not know about the Cub Scout Trainer Woodbadge, but for Boy Scout WB, you had to have completed basic training, and have 2 years tenure. Now I have seen folks who have less than a year in, and have not completed their basic training yet, go to it. Yes, some folks do indeed go overboard. And some think if you have not done WB, you don't know squat. So true. I remember some of the ticket items my older friends did back in the day. They were major activities, and you had a little longer to complete them. Then I hear about some of the tickets today, and can see the decline. One ticket I vividly remember is Someone promoting WB at RT. Yes that was a ticket item of his. Some of the best Scouters I know have either never taken WB, or never completed their ticket. Best Beading ceremony I saw was at an OA event. Diehard Arrowman completed WB and wanted it done at a lodge event. Less 5 minutes, if that. Axe in Log, Notification he completed WB, received necker, woggle, beads, and certificate presented. He thanked all the Arrowman who helped him and was done. Short, sweet, and tyo the point.

Depends upon the Scout Exec. I know of one long time volunteer who was passed over for the Silver Beaver because of lack of FOS contributions by several SEs. Finally we got a decent SE, and his name sailed through. In fact the committee that selected him thought he had it already since he has been a force of Scouting in the council for over 50 year by the time he received it. And one of those on the committee worked with him as his CIT for two summers.

This quote concerns me: I am concerned because if folks are allowed to not answer questions, and remain part of the lawsuit, then there is no way to verify the false claims from the real ones.

My Thoughts. 1. Plan it far enough in advance and promote the heck out of it so that conflicts do not arise. 1a If in SE Louisiana, and a few other places, DO NOT SCHEDULE YOUR DISTRICT BANQUET DURING CARNIVAL!!!!!!!! Yes I had a DE from outside of the area adamant that the district banquet would be in March. It was the weekend before Mardi Gras, and most folks were involved in the parades, so hardly anyone attended, or so I was told since I too was with my family at the parades. 2. Focus on the Scouts. When my district had banquets (don't ask, our former DE put a stop to them because they "costed money"), al the Eagles were invited and recognized. On occasion a few Cub Scouts would be recognized. Sadly no Sea Scout Quartermasters or Venturing Silver/ Summer recipients in my district. 2a. Inform and promote the heck out of the event with the families. 3. Focus on FELLOWSHIP. make it fun. 4. Use local awards so more folks are recognized for what they do. 4a CAVEAT: use KISS Keep It Short and Simple. 5. If you have a guest speaker, make sure they are interesting and can keep a timelimit.

DO. NOT. GO. THERE. One lodge I was in was scheduled to host conclave, which involves a lot of camp improvements and maintenance. Lodge had been saving up for several years to pay for the camp improvements due to conclave. Since the lodge's money was held by the Council, and the SE can decide what he wants to do with the money, he took the money scheduled for conclave and included it in the lodge's FOS donation. Long story short, no one knew this until the bills started showing up, and the council refused to pay. SE was heard saying " Lodges support the council, not the other way around." I do not know how the matter was resolved, but the lodge advisor eventually stepped over the matter.

Can you point me to where I can find the MEMBERSHIP SUMMARIES, and not the, for lack of a better term, GENERAL POPULATION SUMMARIES (caps for emphasis, not shouting)? When I searched for the results and/or summaries, I could not find a thing on the membership surveys. However I was kept finding the results from national polls BSA conducted using an outside agency that did not use the BSA's name, but the methods and goals , to see if girls should be allowed. This was to show that the General Population was in favor of a coed outdoor program. Again,, could you show me where the membership summary is because I think you are confusing it with the General Population Survey, which was indeed overwhelmingly for it. When discussing this matter locally at the time, it was heavily against allowing girls into the program. Sorry I beg to differ. BSA has all kinds of contact information and does contact folks directly for various polls. Remember the the poll where 94% of those surveyed were either Against (18%) or Strongly Against (76%) "Instapalms?" That was done directly via email. BSA National deliberately conducted the poll the way they did to limit membership response. Remember they 1) used biased survey questions 2) mandated attendance at town halls with the council key 3 to be eligible to take the survey, 3) announced to councils the day or two PRIOR to the National Scout Jamboree that these key 3 town halls would need to be held and 4) limited the town halls and surveys to a 4 week period, which included the National Scout Jamboree which many council Key 3 members attend, so no meetings could be done during that time. My Council Key 3, especially the SE was extremely ticked off that national did this. In my neck off the woods, the notice for the meeting was 2 days for the first one and 5 days for the 2nd. First meeting had approximately 9 volunteers in attendance. Do not know how many attended the 2nd meeting. A 3rd meeting was scheduled, but it was pointed out that it was going to be done after the survey was closed. When folks in my district found out I was attending the first meeting, ALL of those contacted me were against the move. Understatement. My council key three were furious at the way National did it, and the SE expressed it publically at the town hall. One Key 3 member said privately that he felt national threw the councils under the bus on this matter. Another understatement. We have lost folks locally because of this duplicity. We have longtime volunteers who feel betrayed and no longer trust National. Some left for good. Others are sticking around and only focusing on their units, not promoting any HA bases, NSJs, other national activities, or even supporting the council because of this.

If the surveys showed members were in favor of adding girls, then A) Why were the results of the MEMBERS (emphasis) survey never published, and B) Why did they exclude Western Region's LDS members , according to one note in mice type I saw at the beginning of the survey?

I wonder if the fact that BSA attempted to defend its brand in the 1920s against GSUSA will play a factor in this case?

From https://www.wsj.com/articles/boy-scouts-coed-recruiting-touched-off-ground-war-with-girl-scouts-11612094400

We had that problem with advancement reports. I know for a fact some SMs signed off for MBs I taught that their Scouts did not complete.

Well the wife and I got an automated notice stating: I contacted the registrar about the issue, especially since I will work with any Scout in the council and not just my unit. Registrar stated this happened automatically to ALL registered MBCs in the council. She is working on fixing the problem, but it will take some time. Wife is absolutely furious over this, and has decided to do #2 approach at the moment. Remember she has had registration issues in the past. This is the Scouter who has completed and submitted 6 applications (one of which was hand delivered to the council office), and had served over an 8 year period as AWDL, WDL, ADL, CSDC Staff, and MBC while being officially unregistered because NONE of the applications were processed until last year. She was "ineligible" for a Heroism Award for saving someone's life because she was "not registered" despite having submitted two applications and serving as a AWDL at the time of the rescue. I am hoping she will cool down and laugh the matter off once the problem is rectified.

No, Kosnoff, does not want 0 assets, he wants the complete and total dissolution of the BSA, and " if a new organization like the BSA is really needed, it starts from scratch." That is what he said on the Diane Rheem Show a while back.

It depends, how does the adult want to be addressed? Growing up, we had a LtCol. in various positions. He was also a MD. We addressed him as "Doc _____________" or just plain "Doc" In my middle son's den, his DL was an MD, but went by "Mr. _______________"