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  1. I apologize because I'm sure I could go back and dig up this info, but I dread the amount of time it would take. What was the estimate of time-barred vs non-barred claims and what does the averaged $/victim look like if all the time barred claims are figured at the "quick-pay" amount?
  2. Personally, I don't think bullying should be included with the CSA training anyway. If you give people two different areas to think about, they'll default to thinking the most about the one they view as "most likely" or most common and give much less attention to the other one.
  3. Absolutely. Where I get hesitant with zero tolerance is in areas where they violated the letter of the policy but not the spirit. For example, I'm the equipment coordinator for our troop. I said to the QM and Asst. "Hey, lets go out to the trailer to do something" then we headed off with me in the lead. But on the way, the Asst. (unbeknownst to me) decided to go to the bathroom and I didn't notice cause I was lost in my own thoughts about what we were about to organize. I was out there alone, in the dusk, with just one scout for a good 5-10 minutes before I realized there wasn't enough no
  4. That's actually a brilliant idea. and it's definitely happening next summer at our camp. Maybe on Tuesday and Friday (for the car ride home).
  5. You are talking about something different. Zero Tolerance Youth Protection policies refer to requirements that any and all infractions be handled officially and penalized fully, regardless of circumstances. The problem with policies of that nature is that you pretty much always end up with innocent people getting caught up in formal actions over unintentional mistakes. Examples abound but include things like school suspensions or expulsions for forgetting you have a jackknife in your coat pocket after a weekend camping or kids being penalized for using "finger guns" when playing on the play
  6. Normally I wouldn't discuss user issues, but given his profile pic and signature I'm going to make an exception: Regardless of the impression given by his profile picture and signature line, CynicalScouter is NOT banned from the forum, or even blocked from posting. He merely received a 1 week penalty that requires his posts be approved by a moderator before they are visible as a result of posting behavior that was un-scoutlike and very near abusive/spamming.
  7. Normally I wouldn't discuss user issues, but given his profile pic and signature I'm going to make an exception: Regardless of the impression given by his profile picture and signature line, CynicalScouter is NOT banned from the forum, or even blocked from posting. He merely received a 1 week penalty that requires his posts be approved by a moderator before they are visible as a result of posting behavior that was un-scoutlike and very near abusive/spamming.
  8. Normally I wouldn't discuss user issues, but given his profile pic and signature I'm going to make an exception: Regardless of the impression given by his profile picture and signature line, CynicalScouter is NOT banned from the forum, or even blocked from posting. He merely received a 1 week penalty that requires his posts be approved by a moderator before they are visible as a result of posting behavior that was un-scoutlike and very near abusive/spamming.
  9. Alright folks, I know the issues get emotional but we need to stay focused on the conversation specific to this thread. If someone says something in this thread, reply in the context of this thread, please do not turn a comment here into a generic response to a user's previous postings or the conversations happening in other threads. I've hidden a bunch of posts, and I'll be going back and hiding a few more. If you think I've hidden something unfairly, please email the moderator staff and other eyes can review my decision.
  10. In a world where a large chunk of the US population still doesn't think kids should be taught anything about sex other than "Don't do it" I am certain there's parents who would assume the ONLY way such a conversation could happen would be if their "precious innocent child" was having knowledge of sex forced upon them by another youth. This is how we get prosecutions for rape when 13-15 year olds are having consensual sex.
  11. You need to slow down and take a few breaths between reading and typing, you aren't even responding to the right point of outrage here. Eagledad was talking about the Scouting program and the patrol method being a "proven program" NOT the Youth Protections.
  12. If you are talking about people questioning the "50% of abuse is youth on youth" statement, that's because history tells us that when someone gives a statistic, you can't know anything about what it means until you understand the definitions being used; particularly in the area of sexual abuse and rape where there is a distinct tendency among some advocates to keep expanding definitions to make their chosen issue seem more dire than it might be. I have no illusions about the BSA and their overall level of competence. Completely separate from this, any organization that publishes a guide
  13. The issue with some LCs is that they survive off the investments because donations and fees aren't enough to keep them running. I don't know exactly how compelling that need is for all of them, but for at least some losing even 50% of their investments would put them out of operation. Well, keep in mind the context of that defense. You and a few other people have the "anti-BSA" point of view very well covered and represented so for those points about which I agree with you, there's not really any purpose in my repeating you. That leaves me with those positions where I disagree with
  14. I don't see any issue with it at all. Two individual scouts wearing their uniform to a meeting like that isn't "being involved in political matters". First because there's a difference between two individuals doing something and a whole troop or a council; and second because the issue wasn't so much about politics as it was about censorship and religion. Plus, they weren't wearing the uniform to try and create some association between Scouts and their viewpoint, they were wearing the uniform in an attempt to be taken more seriously.
  15. I just filled mine out and put "Childhood". I know I was vaccinated, but my docs got lost somewhere between the 1980s and now and my earliest health record is from like age 16.
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