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  1. If we are to make a comment, can we use the right spelling please. Naught is another word for zero, pronounced not, or knot. Still, I suggest this is not a good reason to knot up our emotiona, as it really really a naught sum discussion. I suppose though we might at times be naughty and make waves. Perhaps we need to have our backsides smacked with a knotty pine paddle.
  2. Actually the sad thing is that you are unable to find any peace or relief from your trauma. And no amount of money will ever cure that, nor accusing others of not caring or having any empathy. I pray that you may somehow find that relief and peace in the next journey.
  3. The more legally informed might cast some light, but it surely does not appear so in this issue. If it did, we would not be watching the levels of skewing we are seeing. That would include NOT changing SOL's so that a lawyer can shop for the "right" court and state. Add consistency to my chant of "balance" and sensible and logical responses and not overly wrought emotion base on hyperbole and vague information.
  4. I have no issue with legitimate suits, only frivolous or over the top ones that want more than is rational just because someone may feel sorry or it is the insurance company paying, or they see someone as having money. Suing for more than actual expenses, and somehow feeling you are owed an outlandish amount for "pain and suffering" or similar wording is simply dishonest from my view. IF the injury was truly due to someone being careless or ignoring common precautions, something might be rational. But the amounts are what the issue is, especially in cases where it is not clear that it was a
  5. And that is our problem in our particular litigious society and messed up legal system. Little logic in too many cases, only a view of dollar signs. Who cares if it is petty and selfish as long as someone can get money?
  6. So, if I was skeptical about how unbalanced this entire issue has been in the media, I have to wonder why now? The lawyers are not getting enough money I suppose, and the concept that BSA errors and "cover ups" stand alone are not shown. Unless they modify this to be inclusive of "every" civic agency that chose to not follow up for whatever reason, and also on the fact that many families chose to NOT have it made public, and also list the actual redators they may then have a more comlete story. But then they would have to admit that the issue is not just a BSA problem, but societal and fami
  7. For all the nay sayers about NESA, just take a look at this and perhaps consider a few less decibles in your negative comments. https://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/2023/08/10/eagle-scouts-receive-more-than-500k-in-nesa-scholarships/
  8. Part of the broader issue. While your comments are indicative of some very poor decision making, it is not the whole picture over the history of the program. For some reason, the FACT that the IV files were even created should be a positive piece of this, especially since there are instances where the intent of the files did what was needed. This was at a time when few, if any other groups were even trying to find a solution. Let us not minimize the larger society's poor response and even greater evidence of hiding issues, especially where money or political power was involved. BSA is not
  9. Getting any real cooperative interplay here is diffficult at best, and often very unclear as to who may be the fo to person. The execs, other than the two top ones, are gone, as is half the support staff.
  10. In theory we are, but the charter paperwork still lists the church. We have yet to get it clear. We have an open offer from the Masons which we may yet take, but we have not been able to verify the use document works for them too.
  11. Just think; if they still allowed supervised adult, but TLC reviews, maybe there would be less issue. And, the youth might even learn something about life and how to make rational and fair judgments. In the years when that was still the method, I do not recall but one or two instances where the youth overstepped, and in one case, we determined after review that it really was not the case.
  12. I accept that this particular issue is not huge, but again, in respect to the history of Scouting, proper name spelling "should" be important. But, I believe grammar and spelling, espeically names of important people should be of import. At the same time, if it does not concern you, that is your right and in my view, maybe your loss as well On this forum, those that mostly criticize me are the same, and I can almost predict that response. Look past me as someone you may not feel is worth noting, but do not look past the youth who needs to see that care in writing, or speeech is important t
  13. While the levity is possibly warranted, it also reflects on a serious issue in our society, in my old guy view. Spelling and grammar are important things, whether in these forums or in life. In the case of Scouting history, it seems right that the name should be properly spelled, at least to me. It reminds me a bit of the teacher that asked me why I circled mispelled words on a student's paper, even if the word was not related to the subject directly. I told her that I felt education should extend beyond the lines and subject, and that spelling was an important skill in its own right, even
  14. Two things. Seton is how the name is spelled. Please, if you choose to discuss the man and his family, please spell it correctly. Second; yes Campfire was indirectly a sister to BSA through Dan Beard. A while back, maybe almost ten years now, I was responded to by a Granddauter of Beard, clairifying the connection. Tos some extent, people in that era intermingled with their attempts to create healthy and viable youth groups, even on occasion sharing camps and so on. I wonder, other than clearer historical notes, how important it is, and if those that seem to waant to cast vague inuendo a
  15. While I am fairly sure that much was not shared with CO's , I also am aware that much of the confusion came from few taking note of the quiet insurance companies altering their fine print. At one time the coverage was there, but over time many insurance companies modified much of their coverages, adding fine print that made minor changes that were not obvious to many, especially if faith had been put in them from prior history. Carelessness in not paying attention still is not a good image, but I would suggest that was what it was. Now, when it was discovered, we still need to wonder why th
  16. Go for it. There is much to be said for reviewing stuff from decades back for use today, keeping safety and YP issues in mind of course. But many of the activities are not unsafe if done with skill and care and of course real supervision. Much of the time the youth take to it with vigor. .
  17. Blame it on the lawyers. CYA runs rampant nowadays, especially with BSA. But it really does intrude on us all far too often. Our HOA is suffering from the lack of personal responsibility being a consideration in law suits. A Child is injured playing on site and it is the fault of the HOA, even though a number of us saw her get knocked down on the grass by her large puppy. And falling off of something not men=ant to be a seat is simply the way things happen with kids playing. Similarly, elderly being a bit unstable with age and mobility is a common issue, but if a fall occurs it is the
  18. Glad we got on the same page. Many feel that West made BSA work because he organized it and also was lawyer that worked to overcome early issues. Since he was an orphan and had had a really hard upbringing, he brought his perspecitves as a boy to the work as well, championing youth in the early days. He worked with Teddy Roosevelt to bring some protection to children in the workplace, among other things. But he also was a taskmaster, and he clashed with both Seton and Beard in the earlier developmental period, though they found a way to compromise much of the time. Oh that our clown Congr
  19. Yep, those dim ages. When I tell scouts I never did an Eagle project they look at me funny. At least they had changed Bird Study to Nature on the list. We had these small groups that we had to choose from, along with the actual required ones. I have to say, that group concept made you have a broader exposure to various subjects. Kind of like general education that was once required to graduate college. Not sure that is the case now, but that was what I mostly took my first two years of college. And it introduced me to a new face of music and art, which was good. Understanding classical
  20. If he was able to complete the second class he likely just needs to practice and maybe learn side and breast strokes. Many youth tend to think that the crawl is the only stroke to use, but the test does not say to use the crawl, only to use a strong stroke for the seventy-five yards, and then a resting backstorke, which would normally be the elementary backstroke. Defining strong may be an issue, but it is easier to master a breast of side stroke for a strong forward movement than the crawl in regard to energy, as they both allow a glide, especially if done properly. As far as simply gettin
  21. Of course I refer to the tenets of BSA; that is the whole point of the West quote. He was speaking of the society at the time of the quote, which as it see also was not as civil as most of us would feel is to be striven. The tenets are the Oath, The Law, The Motto, and the Slogan, as well as later, after the time of this article/quote, the Outdoor Code. These make up the foundation of Scouting, and are the major factors in judging Scout Spirit. I truly do not understand your confusion over West. He was the head of BSA for decades and is considered one of the primary men in the histo
  22. Okay. We might agree that the basic tenets are something current, and past society might find or have found helpful. KKK is not a group that should be lionized, for sure. And religion is personal and BSA suggests we accept that individuality. It is all ambiguous and likely should remain a family element, ?. No proof, obviously, but I suspect Mr. West would have been alarmed at some things that have transpired since his death. Just the same, if we can keep the focus, it is a worthwhile effort on our parts I believe. I am old and need a nap.
  23. The reason I posted it had nothing to do with Catholocim or the KIan. It has all to do with the fact that even at the time West recogized that the larger society might benefit from the concept of aceptance of thers. My interpretation, and my current feeling that our society today would do well to adhere to the tenets of the Scouting program. Other than noting that there are Catholic Scouts and so on, I do not see what you speak of, and he does not only mention Catholics. ??? I have not been able to locate the larger article, but perhaps someone might, or I still may if my eyes will cooper
  24. I fail to see anything in the quote regarding Mr. West and the Klan. He is simply suggesting that people might consider the last part of the explanation of the 12th point; Be tolerant of other beliefs. How do we get to something negative about BSA, West, and so on?
  25. Hopefully someone here can clarify or update. As I noted, itemizing no longer is viable for me at my age. So, maybe it has changed, or the data is not clear.
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