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  1. It works for me. But, here is the item again, I hope.
  2. https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10105193357292214&set=gm.1708260512655110&__cft__[0]=AZVhjhg0Pp-4lPkTeWKdf_gCzK9L8mfYCUgri0vhKn1gVy8J0klAMKxR5vx220y2G8nZX0yZocJ3cHB2miJjiruPGl9E9tdufnFZ5tBVjFtP5ClYAWyaqytBpNGCQ1sXffLkY2WqYPmKK_sbfKfGQjycBXf_MPM81uHzUArUsojCtvEMiT7Q1TbuM0nMDXeb4JwPrE3Ox4tSl_qHi6_6B28k&__tn__=EH-R
  3. Yes, we were far more rural in the earlier days. I am hoping to find more now that I have added Newspaper.com to my list. They have actual Ventura papers, but not all the way back to 1910. It is that first couple of decades that is so sparse. I stumbled across the first apparent unit in 1910 just scanning through microfilm. Have yet to find anything more on that unit, other than the Congregational church minutes officially terminating the group in 1914. I suspect it was not overly active during that period, or it would have shown up a bit. No names of even the leaders. Good news is that I have been contacted by the local museum to start working with them, once they can let me in again. I just wish I could find a bit more help with the digging. Funny things pop up though;
  4. As I continue to probe for historical bits and pieces for our local area Scouting, I have discovered one seemingly fairly common thing. Most of the earliest units were formed at churches and often in conjunction with the Y. Since our council did not exist until 1921, tracking down records is pretty hard, though we have found a few through National. Ironically, we know that we had a unit at the Congregational church in 1910, and that it was there in some manner until 1914. But, other than the newspaper notice of its formation in 1910 and some records of the church officially dropping it in 1914 we can find no National verifications. Similarly, other than newspaper mentions of at least a couple dozen various "scout groups" in the period from 1910 to 1921 when we started our council, there are few found items in National, so we do not know for sure about those early groups. Furthermore, while we can validate our first council Eagles in 1921 and 1922, we cannot validate other rank issues prior to the council. With the number of charter scouts when the council began, and that the first two Eagles happened almost immediately, one would think a possibility is there that someone might be lost in the maze of the early records. But, National has declined my request to have access to the Eagle files that were the basis of the great CD compilations that they issued that were the result of serious work by dedicated people. But, based on the duplications in our files, and also just the fact that many early registrations were small rural locations that have literally fallen off the map, there is the strong possibility one or two even earlier Eagles could be sitting in limbo in an undetermined file. Also, confusion with current councils and the many defunct ones surely caused some misdirections or simply unknowns. It the unknowns that I wish I could see. I hope those records are still actually properly stored. It is odd how few news articles actually designate awards to the earliest scouts, but only talk about courts of honor generally and Tenderfoot tests. Lots though on outings and such, which is great. Just figuring out what units of the time were there is more difficult, as it often just mentions names or towns. Fun and games working on our centennial next year. The most common CO's in those early news accounts are the Congregational, Methodist, Presbyterian, and Catholic Churches, along with the Rotary, Kiwanis, Lions and LDS, though it is rarely noted, even though became official for them in 1913. Our area may not have had enough members for the early scout units, since it was mostly agricultural.
  5. The hostel angle is just one of many to think about. The main thing is to hopefully have usage for local youth and small groups in some manner while also having service opportunities for the serious needs that abound. The church appears to already be decided on it being a place for outreach.
  6. Specifically VCC, Council 57. The city is Ventura, and of course right on the beach, as well as fairly easy access to the larger So Cal area. It is still in the early stages of local discussions, but some small uses may be allowed in the discussion periods. My thing is doing whatever we can to display the best of Scouting and just do it. That is the real challenge, not getting led from our primary reason to exist by ignorance and people with tunnel vision.
  7. So confused with tags and such. Just give me a basic forum and let me type. Anyway, we have an interesting possible opportunity locally with the closure of a major church with considerable property with its campus. The church is being run by the Methodist District and there are plans in the works for using the property for outreach. I have proposed that part of that be a distinctly inexpensive spot for traveling youth, Scouts or otherwise. Also, picture us developing a resource center with historical material that can be reviewed and possibly utilized in modern context, or a "How it was" way. It might include locally run uniform banks, even for non scout groups, a possible motor home capability with limits (it has a large parking lot), and some on site things like maybe a couple of compass/orienteering courses. It is in a prime location in the middle of the city, and right acrross from the local JC as well. In conjunction with local non-profits it likely will include homeless and indigent options, great service ops and the, or so it seems to me, a chance to just do what scouts do, at the core. Any thoughts on how a hostel type thing could be included, and various ways the Scouting Community might be at the core? As an extension; are there similar options that in our re-inventioning phase might be considered on the BSA nationally.
  8. So, another "go get the stick" distraction. Maybe we should simply "do our best" to save the basic and solid foundations and grow them with the youth in mind, no matter their variants in beliefs or other seemingly important distractions foisted by a messed up society. Just saying; these scenarios are fun, and even have some place, but our focus needs to be where the compass point meets the direction arrow.
  9. https://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/2020/08/28/saving-grace-scout-creates-inspirational-worship-videos-for-eagle-project/
  10. It might be a great challenge to the youth to form their own teams to work at it from that all important side of the knot. But, only in BSA would such a marass of issues be on the board. It might even be interesting to have the same basic scenario, but in another scouting family or two in other parts of the world. Playing outside the box and realizing other shapes exist.
  11. After my parents passed, I was cleaning out drawers and collected a trove of coins, many silver. I checked the dates against an old coin catalogue, then took them to a local dealer and let him know I had checked the dates. Three, I think, of the silver ones were worth more as collector items than the silver, and he took that into account. I ended up with close to $400 in silver content, plus a few bucks for some older pennies. I still have a jar of the lead ones I think, just for fun. Had a smaller jar that I took to scouts and new boys were given on when we did our first review. Have run out of those now. Most had no idea what it was. It is a good thing falerists are not banned, or memorabilia collectors would be in a panic.
  12. Not sure where you might get an idea of this replacing Hornaday. Currently, from reading the announcement, it appears it is not yet a long-term award, though it could become one. But I see nothing in the article that would suggest it replacing Hornaday. If anything, it might become an additional qualifier in the Hornaday stable. And we do not yet see if there will be a younger boy, Cub, award, or if the muli-level World Conservation Award will have any play in it. Think positive and ask that the head of the EPA and the President earn the equivalency of the recognition.😇
  13. We get back to interpretation; but this does appear to rule out fencing. As noted of course, with proper supervision and equipment it is likely as safe as many other activities still allowed. I am confused by the last one: "Intramural, interscholastic, or club sport competitions or activities". Are they saying that scouts cannot participate in normal team sports in school or the various youth sports leagues? That is what it appears to say to me, which makes not sense at all. What am I missing on this one?
  14. The basic idea seems okay, but the arrangement of the pieces is out of whack. It should be starting from the youth side and the support then being available.
  15. I believe they are seriously moving in the right direction. We do not have all the facts, nor any idea about many of the peripheral considerations. What I perceive, partly based on some discussions at PTC last summer, is that a sea change has begun. Are there still people in National that may try to buck the change, or are too bull headed to understand the seriousness? Probably. But I have studied the history of the program for over fifty years and have many theses and studies and actual professional meeting and conference minutes and reviews. The first thing that makes me cautiously optimistic is the already in place move away from a professional in the driver seat. The man has obviously come into it with the perspective of the volunteer, and those mid level council people I know that have met him assure me he is the real thing. Whether or not I am correct in my perceptions now, only time will tell. But I refuse to bey at the moon about how awful National is, and how they are all only out for themselves and a bunch of non Scouter miscreants or whatever. As my nickname suggests, I am always skeptical. But I also feel that I am able to make rational decisions and judgments based on what is presented. If I am wrong, it will be very sad. But, I do not see how some can continue to carry the negative water to throw on the positive firelay. JMHO. Good Scouting. We have youth in our home fronts to lead and mentor. No more responses on this portion of the novella.
  16. It isn't happening now, so lets move forward and work with our current options and stop making noise when not necessary. Be happy that for the moment, not all the doom and gloom is in motion. Certainly stepping, if slowly, in a better direction.
  17. So, I find myself wondering how the lawyers at the core of this suit, the ones that most of us see for what they are, would respond to a concerted effort by interested legal parties to dig back into their families and drag out fifty year old family related bad acts or poor responses to them. Just conjecture, and it is really not a Scout-like idea. Still, I really detest their distortions and attitudes. But they threw the first rocks.
  18. A new posting in my download from Bryan On Scouting. I found the disclaimer, show below, almost too much for common sense, but also understand the reason. Just a comment on where we are in our society now. Importantly, these answers are designed to provide information and should not be used to diagnose health conditions. Please reach out to a professional health provider for support in addressing concerns you may have. COVID-19 is an emerging, rapidly evolving situation. Any materials that the Boy Scouts of America provides are for information purposes only and do not represent endorsement by or an official position of the Boy Scouts of America. Advice on the treatment or care of a patient should be obtained through consultation with a physician who has examined that patient and is familiar with that patient’s medical history. The information, data, opinions, and statements included or linked to from this website are not necessarily those of the Boy Scouts of America and should not be interpreted, acted on, or represented as such. The Boy Scouts of America does not make any warranty, express or implied, including the warranties of merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose with respect to materials available from this website. In addition, the Boy Scouts of America assumes no legal liability for the accuracy, completeness, or usefulness of any information, apparatus, product, or process disclosed herein and does not represent that use of such information, apparatus, product, or process would not infringe on privately owned rights.
  19. I have taken 6 courses at PTC over the years, going back to 1977, and I saw almost nothing but positive family experiences going on. What they told us last summer when I was there again for the History program was that they were developing a program along the lines of the family options for PTC, but that would be done outside a family member in a training seminar. I got the impression it also would be eventually open to non scouting individuals.
  20. This has been an interesting read. I continue to be flummoxed by some of the truly negative comments, especially in light of the detailed positive report. Cost, other than the transportation if you are not near, is within the same range as our more local camps, and less than some. I would dearly love to be able to take our unit there, based on the report given, but for us, in California, it is prohibitive from the travel standpoint. I do wonder if the format I perceive in the report is what they are moving towards in the changes at Philmont. Their descriptions last summer of the direction they hope to move at Philmont would seem to encompass offering some of the best parts to a broader range of participants, and include some additional options going forward if the idiot lawyers can be pushed from the larger picture. I could easily see, based on what I have read about the WV site, that serious remote and wilderness experiences are or will be options too, just as the traditional Philmont programs continue.
  21. This, IMO, is part of the problem in the hierarchy of local councils. In reality, the COR, in conjunction with the others within the council, have considerable power if they are coordinated. Each has a seat on the Executive Board, and a vote. Most either choose to not participated beyond the signing of adult apps and occasional troop visits. But, their job is to represent their CO on the council Exec board, and to convey the CO's concerns. Most councils appear to downplay that actual power and would prefer to not see the COR's attending meetings, especially ones dominated by an elite clique appointed by the Scout Executive. The SE appoints some board members, and those appear too often to be the controllers of the actual board decisions. There have been occasions though where someone coordinated a COR revolt and suddenly there were major changes happening in that council, including the firing of the Executive and others. I would suggest that if a council actually had active COR participation at a high level, they might be far better run.
  22. I just noted that a lawsuit has been filed in N.Y. against the Girl Scouts for abuse. There is also one against a Rockefeller research center that apparently had abuse happen in a youth group study by doctors. So, the net spreads, and soon BSA will just be a small part. How long until the youth sports and Big Brothers and Sisters have their accusations?
  23. Sorry, but I find it foolish to blame ignorance, bad actions, and rude or worse language on a virus. Covid does not make people do these things. They make the choice, and use the idea of Covid stress as an excuse. JMHO of course.
  24. There are four books in my collection on Antarctic Scouting participation. Three relate to Paul Siple, and one to Richard Chappell. All are interesting and representative of Scouting involvement in some very advanced and challenging activities over the years. Others include the African safari told about in Three Scouts in Africa; another, included one of those African participants in Alaska, A Boy Scout in Grizzley Country; there is one about scouts working with rangers in a National park, another about a hike of some scouts on the Oregon trail to Independence Rock for its hundredth anniversary, and another about a group of Eagles that spent weeks hiking in the Highlands of Scotland interacting with the local Scouts and communities. A few others relate to Sea Scouting adventures in those earlier days, and there are small mentions here and there of lesser known and less dramatic Scouting adventure activities in other anthologies. But, the idea that this is no longer an option is wrong. the NESA world explorer program continues to nurture such things, but few are really aware of this. Take a look; https://nesa.org/for-eagle-scouts/scholarships/nesa-world-explorer/
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