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Everything posted by MattR

  1. Sure would be nice to learn from what they were up against and what they did. Publish it under case studies.
  2. No. Just sounds like you've been locked inside too long.
  3. Thank you for your explanation, @TAHAWK. I did not know about what happened at Ohio State. I was too young to know what was going on back then but I do remember the assassinations in 68. There were a lot of long faces in my neighborhood. As for what you're not seeing in the media now, I am a bit surprised. I poke around in a lot of different news sources and while it does take some time to answer questions I usually figure it out. BTW, here's another headline for you: "Calm night of protests in Portland after Oregon State Police step in for federal officers." This was from a local tv station in Portland. John Lewis wrote an opinion piece a few weeks ago that was published in the NY Times yesterday. It was very eloquent.
  4. Welcome to the forum, @SWdenleader. You don't need to be grandfathered in. If a scout is going to leave because of a uniform issue then there's a problem. No kid should be denied scouting because of some uniform issue. Honestly, I don't even know if this is an issue (if you can't read where it says webelos must wear a tan uniform, then it isn't a rule), but it doesn't matter. What does matter is your scouts having fun. In this economy, do your best. Don't worry about the uniform. Oh, and pull up a log and join us.
  5. @TAHAWK, when I asked you what the point of your posts were, I really was asking a question. I never said you couldn't post. I'm having to wade through all your posts to figure out what it is that you're getting at. There are many ways to read these pictures. I mentioned all the other things going on just as a way to say, yep, this is a bad summer, and violent protesters are just part of it, so what's new? Is this it? I suspect, from what you've written before it could be, but, and I'm trying to be polite here, you have a way of posting things and not explaining, clearly, what you're trying to get at. It may be very clear to you but it's not always clear to me. It's clear that you're very passionate about most everything you contribute on this forum (and I do appreciate it) but sometimes the passion comes through a lot more than the specifics. I'm going to assume your point is close to Carl's point, that a small number of violent people can just change the whole focus of a moment. Thus, since we are led by rules, these people should follow those rules. I read an interesting comment the other day, related to the violent protesters, and the post was about how in the 60's there was absolutely no tolerance from protesters for any violence from protesters. Everyone knew that any excuse for the police to start being rough was going to take away from their message. Another idea was that when there are a few bad people causing violence and the police response is to inflict violence on everyone, including those that are peaceful, does that violate free speech? Something to think about. But a more impressive discussion came from an old scout in my troop that is now a cop. He talked about the training he got in deescalation. He was trained to back off and let things calm down as much as possible. He also said some police departments do that and many don't. Those where the police live in the areas they work tend to do that and those that live elsewhere don't. That alone has clarified so much of what I'm seeing in the news. Anyway, I'm hoping that clarifies my comments.
  6. That's still a nice saw. I just don't have room. I had a guy with a portable mill saw some logs up for me. That was a huge bandsaw. I was like a 7 year old watching this thing. Gas powered. He could have easily done 25" diameter logs. Mine were small at 14". He changed the blade (this was black locust) and, just a guess but it was 4 loops around 2 feet in diameter, so 12ish feet. But only 1 tooth per inch. It took about 10 minutes to slice an 8' log into 5/4 boards. Part of the reason I'm out of room is I have some of that wood stacked in my garage.
  7. @TAHAWK, I read enough news elsewhere. Honestly, what's the point of these posts? It looks like you're saying there is vandalism and violence. I agree. I also read some great comments, of all things, about how "back in the day" peaceful protesters had to be extra vigilant to expel violent protesters because it just takes one bad protester to to completely skew the coverage away from the peaceful protest. Kind of like how a few bad cops might skew the work of many good cops. So where are we now? There are a few violent protesters and a few violent cops making their own news cycles in the middle of a pandemic that is killing a thousand people a day and completely trashing the economy to levels very few still living have seen before while congress is frozen in a quicksand of acrimony and constitutional crisis that has resulted in a political climate that makes everyone walk around on egg shells for fear of setting of huge arguments while we're socially distancing and washing our hands a lot while we discuss the fall of scouting. Have I covered the past few months well enough?
  8. That's why I was so impressed with the Israeli scouts. From day one, when a 6 year old kid enters their program, they know that when they're 14 they're going to be running a small group of younger scouts. By the time they're 16 they're going to be deciding the program for a patrol. By the time they're 18 they're going to be running a troop of 100. There are no ranks or requirements for each scout and only vague descriptions of what the program could be, but the leadership is very well laid out. Fewer expectations of ranks and parents might make it easier for scouts to lead. This also reminds me of a description of Japanese gardens. They're supposed to look natural but everything is placed for a reason. It's very unnatural. They want the fallen leaves cleaned up, but not too clean as that wouldn't look natural. So they use the old men to clean up the leaves. They don't see everything, they get tired, sweeping up most of the leaves is good enough so they can go back to talking to their friends. The result is perfection, just enough leaves to look right but not overwhelming. Maybe what I'm saying is scouts needs more really young adults (rovers?) and grandparents running things. Youthful enthusiasm along with older wisdom but fewer expectation getting in the way of the actual scouts. Given the current problems it might be something to consider. Of course, this is all just an old man talking. I should get back to my garden
  9. @Eagledad, I suspect that 98 years ago nobody worried about entertaining older scouts. A sail boat sounded like fun, so they got one and had fun. And it grew into Sea Scouts. And now, their equivalent to Eagle is harder to do than what Eagle requires.
  10. Sure they do, but if on those other events you ran at a profit, why not just say the net of all the events has to balance out? We asked for that and, well, that's when things got ugly. I like @CommishJulian's approach of just doing it on your own.
  11. Sounds like the original venture patrol.
  12. Sounds familiar. I got in trouble trying to make camporees cost neutral, i.e., charge the scouts no more than what it costs. All of the rest sounds wonderful, but this I have to ask about. I thought a band saw size was the largest piece of wood that can go through it, height wise. So a 92" band saw could easily cut a full sized car. Or is this the length of the band? Anyway, keep having fun. That's what rubs off on the scouts.
  13. If I had a PL that wanted to do something like that I'd take the loophole you found and tell them to go for it. It shows initiative.
  14. Yep. Scout is now a rank. When it was just join, the meanings were still in tenderfoot. It was honestly confusing to keep track of what was where.
  15. Just to let everyone know, I removed emails, phone numbers and names from that letter. Posting that type of info on a public forum is a bad idea.
  16. You had me until jambodemic 🙂. I like it because a jamboree is out of my price range (not the event itself but the 5 fold council tax). Better yet, all scouts could participate. That would be nice. Getting every scout to camp the same week would be great, not to mention a great challenge. My hunch is you'd have to think about the details. Getting the majority of scouts together at the same time would take a lot of space. Then there's the network required. That's not cheap. But if you make it, it would be cool.
  17. Speaking of flogging a dead horse
  18. What I wish was doomed was this thread. Honestly, who has heard about this other than on this thread? I looked back at the start of the thread and all it is is a suspicion. Then there are 7 pages of whoa. Nothing is happening with the titles of the adult dudes and dudettes in the troop. Everything else is going to hell but the titles are good.
  19. @TAHAWK, why are you shouting? I can read regular sized font more easily than the large font.
  20. Someone made one mistake and it was pulled down. That doesn't sound like much of a trend to worry about. However, if they had, for example, lied 20000 times in 4 years, then you'd have something to talk about.
  21. But think of it. An overnight campout would be like a high adventure trip.
  22. Wow, my council only charges $200. But that was before covruptcy. It looks like the exact same formula we have. They can't require it. National said as much when they said councils can't charge more than national. We heard the same threats. We do the best we can and tell them good luck. Treat it as a recommended donation. I stopped donating all together. I'm not sure about your council but mine is doing unethical accounting at best and likely illegal. When they get their act together I will resume donating.
  23. Just curious, when Ford came out with the Pinto and gas tanks were exploding, did you blame all the workers for that?
  24. JTE is a wishful concept that came out of SMART goals, which gives little guidance on running a non-profit. So scrap JTE and start over. I do not know how to run a non-profit, so talk to someone that does on the requirements for this. But here are my observations. Ensure the board is separate from the staff and does its job. The board is not a fundraising mechanism. It is a way to check the staff and ensure the council is serving the needs of the youth. Budget issues are what pollutes the motivation of the council, so ensure the budget is watched closely and it's transparent to everyone. A balanced budget doesn't imply the needs of the youth are being met. Leadership is important in a council, ensure there's a process for hiring and promoting good people from anywhere, ensuring there's enough money to pay them (rather than through event fees, like my council does) and that poor performers are either improved or let go. That includes the CE. The council's primary job is ensuring the units are successful. It is not accounting or membership. I'm not sure how to measure whether a unit is successful, but JTE style metrics is not it. Is the troop actively run by the scouts? Are the scouts having fun? Is there a pipeline of leadership and growth for all members of a unit (scouts and adults)? Do all the members of a unit understand the fundamentals - that are not described ... anywhere?
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